spoolude...
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To play devil's advocate:
Prelude Type SH is just a base (190hp) 5th gen Prelude with a fancy suspension package. SH stands for Super Handling. I've already said this before, it blows. It's the heaviest Prelude to date, and ATTS usually starts failing by 250hp. I hate it when people use it as the representation for the "best Prelude" in comparisions. Integra Type R is good, Prelude Type SH is not.
I will have to disagree with your math somewhat. All FWD (and RWD, too) have roughly the same amount of drivetrain loss. It doesn't matter if you are talking about an MR2 or a Prelude, drivetrain loss is a rough static of 20%. AWD has greater drivetrain loss, but that's only because it's got more wheels to put power down to. Does that mean AWD launches slower because it's got less WHP? No, and it's the opposite in that case. Drivetrain loss is irrelevant in bench racing.
Fourth gen Preludes (unlike the number that you got for the fifth gen Type SH) are significantly lighter. The average is usually around 2800lbs, and that's because there are many standard options: ABS, power everything, power steering. I should say that a fourth gen Prelude with a JDM H22A (200hp) can certainly take a stock GST in both launch and 1/4 mile, and more easily take the GSX in the 1/4. Launch, of course, would naturally be expected to be less.
You guys are right that yes, this is an N/A Honda. That's the point. Let's see you make +200hp with a 420A or an NT 4g63 from a Galant without a turbo. Or keep up with a V8 without your turbo. As far as natural aspiration goes, this is some pretty impressive shit.
With all that said,
Spoolude, please please please stop making Prelude owners look bad. Please.
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For the most part I totally agree with you. However, FWD GS-T's have 11% drivetrain loss, which equates to more power being put down by the car. Compared side to side to a 'lude with 20% I think it can be a significant difference.
Honda's are known for making some really crazy numbers out of thier tiny engines... Your right, the 420a or the 4g63 will never make those numbers N/A... just wont happen. However, just becuase our cars utilize FI, and were designed for FI (the 4g63 atleast), doesn't mean they dont make impressive numbers. Just going about it a different way.
Either way, it'd be an interesting race to see a H22 powered 4th Gen take on either a FWD or an AWD from both a stop and roll.
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Jim wrote:
Well a 99 Type SH Prelude weighs 3042 lbs according to Honda.com. According to Cars.com a 99 GS-T Coupe weighs 2,970 lobs.So 72 pound weight difference... not much; it would matter more if your fat or not in terms of weight.
Aerodynamics really doesn't play a large factor in who would win a race when there is 10hp difference. Nobody races up to 150 mph or whatever, the race is usually long over by 100-120mph.
Even if you were able to keep the rev's in vtec's activation range, doesn't get past the fact that the DSM is going to continue to boost the entire race...
If you were racing from a stop, and it was an AWD DSM there would be no race. From a roll, it might be more interesting, but I still would put money on the DSM winning.
According to Honda-Acura.net the Type SH Prelude has 20% Drivetrain loss.
ALSO i would be very interested in to seeing where this 222hp stat came from. Honda.com lists the Type SH as 200hp. Hondatech and Honda-Acura both have open threads about how it was overrated, and 190hp is much more realistic.
Cars.com lists the Type SH as 200hp 2.2l I-4.
So 222? where did this extra 22hp come from? your intake?
20% drivetrain loss on 200hp is 40hp. 160whp (the horsepower put to the wheels). There are multiple dynographs to show 157 whp is what they make stock.
Now take in to consideration a FWD turbo DSM. 210bhp, factor in 11% drivetrain loss, 186.79whp.
That is considerably more then 157hp. Add in a boost controller for the "one" mod and its complete ownage.
YES i am the best bench racer ever.
hmm. 11% drivetrain loss?
never said 222
and ya, we've beat stick turbo dsms several times, don't think lost to a stock one yet
as far aerodynamics... the force on the car quadruples when the speed doubles,
I've gotten spanked by trucks for example bad and cought them and put 5-6 cars on them at 110, Altho that's a much exaggerated example
and ya, you'd eat an sh everywhere
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i dont care about this thread it started over some fucking ass hole who thinks his talon is a pimp shit. why whould some body make a thread about wut i said on the streets. dose your car not work cant you find me? im so sick of reading dsm this and dsm there always broken. why do you buy somthing that breaks the first time you do somthing to it? i know there are lots of hondas out there but how many are fast i mean like turboed or supercarged? but how many eclipse and talons do we have in town alot how many of them think there the fastest all of them so ok my prelude might get beat by a gsx but what did it take to do this awd turbo if thats wut it take to beat a honda i guess a dsm is the best?
im sry if this pisses off people. i know what it takes and how much money it takes to make a fast carif sombodt witha stock turbo or awd wants to race i will race him pm me or post a were and a time and i will get a hold of u
im not saying im going to win so if sombody wants to step up bring it -
alright faggot, the only reason i started this thread in here was cuz of the shit you said about all DSMs. you never said "your talon", you said DSMs suck and then went on to brag about your car kicking DSMs ass. when i saw you, i told you my car was slow before i raced mccroskey and ive said on here before my car is slow so i never said it was pimp shit. it seems once again, you dont know what you're talkin about before you say something.
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What do you spool anyway sPoooooL Dood, besides a mouth full of BS. You don't even have a turbo.
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spoolude wrote:
i dont care about this thread it started over some fucking ass hole who thinks his talon is a pimp shit. why whould some body make a thread about wut i said on the streets. dose your car not work cant you find me? im so sick of reading dsm this and dsm there always broken. why do you buy somthing that breaks the first time you do somthing to it? i know there are lots of hondas out there but how many are fast i mean like turboed or supercarged? but how many eclipse and talons do we have in town alot how many of them think there the fastest all of them so ok my prelude might get beat by a gsx but what did it take to do this awd turbo if thats wut it take to beat a honda i guess a dsm is the best?
im sry if this pisses off people. i know what it takes and how much money it takes to make a fast carif sombodt witha stock turbo or awd wants to race i will race him pm me or post a were and a time and i will get a hold of u
im not saying im going to win so if sombody wants to step up bring itYou talk alot of shit for running 15.7
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You ran a 15.7 and your cocking off DSM's? Dear lord man my civic ran better then that.
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spoolude wrote:
if sombodt witha stock turbo or awd wants to race i will race him pm me or post a were and a time and i will get a hold of u
im not saying im going to win so if sombody wants to step up bring it92BlackTT wrote:
im turbo awd and twice as heavy as a dsm...lets do it : )how many times we have to offer?
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nope 15'3 was my best
and i didnt see u guys out there u guys all talk about how theres nothing to do track day comes and whos shows up?
and grave digger ur a bunch of bullshit u make fun of my name for what you have this slow ass tippy wut grave have u dug but 1 for urself -
spoolude i drive a first gen stealth and ill come out and play right now if you have some money to bring with you
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