spoolude...

[Jim]

spoolude wrote:
ok i think that sombody here can back me up when i say my honda would qwn your talon i have 220 what does a turbo talon have o ya they have 210 i know the fourms are owned by lots of fast dsm's im not talking shit to u guys so dont take it personle

Well your only slightly lighter then a stock turbo DSM. Add Awd in to the mix, you'll get owned. 10hp isn't shit...

ok so first off, a turbo dsm will reach peak hp far ahead of you... you'll be hitting it up in the stratoshpere of vtec land... turbo car will be hitting it when it hits full boost... under 4.5k.

secondly, 10hp difference coudl be account for in drivetrain loss easily... since your car isn't "stock" you have a cold air intake... then its only fair that hte turbo dsm you'll race isnt stock either. put a boost controller on it and see whatsup...

[Tad218]

DSM 101. thats right

[Bryce]

Ohh god this will not end well...

....$5 on the DSM sorry spoolude.

[Flowcus]

Spool I was cruisin tonight looking for you... didnt see anyone at ricer-mart... wait sorry k-mart. If your gonna be around tonight look for drakes WRX or my Focus... red SVT ill race you for shits n giggles.

Im with lank and jim on this one... oh and lank I got $5.25 on the DSM bitch... im a high roller.

Peace!
Rob

[Bryce]

Are you guys coming out tonight? ( Rob/Drake )

Edit: Thats alot of money man.....I'm out.

[Flowcus]

Already been out in the focus for an hour... gonna be out in the WRX later. Ill be driving it because he doesnt have a license for a little while... he needs to learn to slow down.

Peace!
Rob

BTW if anyone is up for a cruise post it here.

[[[global:guest]]]

I was thinking of getting something a little slower, you know like a Tiburon V6

[Flowcus]

If GD will be out we have a little gift for him... im sure he will get a laugh out of it.

Peace!
Rob

[amicheze]

flowcus... where are you guys at? we should go cruise. gimmie a call. 306-2746.

[Bryce]

Wow you guys make it sound like you have internet in your cars.

We will be rolling once we get our race crew together. I mabye we can meet up with you guys on the STREETS!

WTF, so much hate on GD.

[[[global:guest]]]

No hate just humor at his expense

GD is fine with me as long as he keeps his word.

[dynasty_v6]

I think a prelude has a very decent shot at taking down a turbo dsm. My brother has done it a bunch of times. According to a few people at preludeonline.com they have hit 147-148 mph stock. As far as powerband, the prelude will fall back into vtec on every shift so that should help. It's probibly more aerodynamic too. As far as non-turbo eclipses, I've beaten a few with my intrepid.

[Jim]

dynasty_v6 wrote:
I think a prelude has a very decent shot at taking down a turbo dsm. My brother has done it a bunch of times. According to a few people at preludeonline.com they have hit 147-148 mph stock. As far as powerband, the prelude will fall back into vtec on every shift so that should help. It's probibly more aerodynamic too. As far as non-turbo eclipses, I've beaten a few with my intrepid.

Well a 99 Type SH Prelude weighs 3042 lbs according to Honda.com. According to Cars.com a 99 GS-T Coupe weighs 2,970 lobs.

So 72 pound weight difference... not much; it would matter more if your fat or not in terms of weight.

Aerodynamics really doesn't play a large factor in who would win a race when there is 10hp difference. Nobody races up to 150 mph or whatever, the race is usually long over by 100-120mph.

Even if you were able to keep the rev's in vtec's activation range, doesn't get past the fact that the DSM is going to continue to boost the entire race...

If you were racing from a stop, and it was an AWD DSM there would be no race. From a roll, it might be more interesting, but I still would put money on the DSM winning.

According to Honda-Acura.net the Type SH Prelude has 20% Drivetrain loss.

ALSO i would be very interested in to seeing where this 222hp stat came from. Honda.com lists the Type SH as 200hp. Hondatech and Honda-Acura both have open threads about how it was overrated, and 190hp is much more realistic.

Cars.com lists the Type SH as 200hp 2.2l I-4.

So 222? where did this extra 22hp come from? your intake?

20% drivetrain loss on 200hp is 40hp. 160whp (the horsepower put to the wheels). There are multiple dynographs to show 157 whp is what they make stock.

Now take in to consideration a FWD turbo DSM. 210bhp, factor in 11% drivetrain loss, 186.79whp.

That is considerably more then 157hp. Add in a boost controller for the "one" mod and its complete ownage.

YES i am the best bench racer ever.

[Jim]

spoolude wrote:
ok i think that sombody here can back me up when i say my honda would qwn your talon i have 220 what does a turbo talon have o ya they have 210 i know the fourms are owned by lots of fast dsm's im not talking shit to u guys so dont take it personle

You didn't gain 20hp from exhaust and an intake...

[Tad218]

damn jim, so much dsm pride and your sellin yours?! keep that fucking thing!!

[[[global:guest]]]

Spoolude, you MAYBE MAYBE got 5 whp from your little intake and exhaust. Sorry man but no matter what way you look at it, its a N/A Honda

[amicheze]

[Jim]

I will say this: Honda's ARE much more reliable then DSM's. However, when they start making the same amount of power as DSM's... they start breaking just as easily.

[AcesHigh]

To play devil's advocate:

Prelude Type SH is just a base (190hp) 5th gen Prelude with a fancy suspension package. SH stands for Super Handling. I've already said this before, it blows. It's the heaviest Prelude to date, and ATTS usually starts failing by 250hp. I hate it when people use it as the representation for the "best Prelude" in comparisions. Integra Type R is good, Prelude Type SH is not.

I will have to disagree with your math somewhat. All FWD (and RWD, too) have roughly the same amount of drivetrain loss. It doesn't matter if you are talking about an MR2 or a Prelude, drivetrain loss is a rough static of 20%. AWD has greater drivetrain loss, but that's only because it's got more wheels to put power down to. Does that mean AWD launches slower because it's got less WHP? No, and it's the opposite in that case. Drivetrain loss is irrelevant in bench racing.

Fourth gen Preludes (unlike the number that you got for the fifth gen Type SH) are significantly lighter. The average is usually around 2800lbs, and that's because there are many standard options: ABS, power everything, power steering. I should say that a fourth gen Prelude with a JDM H22A (200hp) can certainly take a stock GST in both launch and 1/4 mile, and more easily take the GSX in the 1/4. Launch, of course, would naturally be expected to be less.

You guys are right that yes, this is an N/A Honda. That's the point. Let's see you make +200hp with a 420A or an NT 4g63 from a Galant without a turbo. Or keep up with a V8 without your turbo. As far as natural aspiration goes, this is some pretty impressive shit.

With all that said,

Spoolude, please please please stop making Prelude owners look bad. Please.

[Jim]

For the most part I totally agree with you. However, FWD GS-T's have 11% drivetrain loss, which equates to more power being put down by the car. Compared side to side to a 'lude with 20% I think it can be a significant difference.

Honda's are known for making some really crazy numbers out of thier tiny engines... Your right, the 420a or the 4g63 will never make those numbers N/A... just wont happen. However, just becuase our cars utilize FI, and were designed for FI (the 4g63 atleast), doesn't mean they dont make impressive numbers. Just going about it a different way.

Either way, it'd be an interesting race to see a H22 powered 4th Gen take on either a FWD or an AWD from both a stop and roll.