Reasons why I am not voting for Kerry
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99slowGSX wrote:
NAME: John Kerry-
RESIDENCE: 7 mansions, including one in Washington DC, worth multi-millions. I served in Vietnam (four months).
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EXPERIENCE:
Law Enforcement. In my career as a U.S. Senator, I've voted to cut every law enforcement, CIA, and Defense bill. I ordered the city of Boston to remove a fire hydrant in front of my mansion, thereby endangering my neighbors in the event of fire. I served in Vietnam (four months). -
MILITARY:
I served in Vietnam (four months). I used three minor injuries to get an early discharge from the military and service in Vietnam (as documented by the attending doctor). I served in Vietnam (four months). I then returned to the U.S., joined Jane Fonda in protesting the war, and insulted returning Vietnam vets, claiming they committed atrocities and were baby killers. I served in Vietnam (four months). I threw my medals, ribbons, or something away in protest. Or did I? My book "Vietnam Veterans Against the War: The New Soldier", shows how I truly feel about the military. I served in Vietnam (four months). -
COLLEGE:
I graduated from Yale University with a low C average. Unlike my counterpart George Bush, I have no higher education and did not get admitted to Harvard nor graduate with an M.B.A -
PAST WORK EXPERIENCE:
After College and Vietnam, I ran for the U.S. Congress and have been there ever since. I have no real world experience except marrying very rich women and running their companies vicariously through them. I served in Vietnam (four months). -
ACCOMPLISHMENTS:
As a U.S. Senator I set the record for the most liberal voting record, exceeding even Ted Kennedy and Hillary Clinton. I have consistently failed to support our military and CIA by voting against their budgets, thus gutting our country's ability to defend itself. Although I voted for the Iraq War, now I am against it and refuse to admit that I voted for it. I voted for every liberal piece of legislation. I have no plan to help this country but I intend to raise taxes significantly if I am elected. I served in Vietnam (four months).
My wealth so far exceeds that of my counterpart, George Bush, that he will never catch up. I make little or no charitable contributions and have never agreed to pay any voluntary excess taxes in Massachusetts, despite family wealth in excess of $ 700 million. I served in Vietnam (four months).
I (we) own 28 manufacturing plants (Heinz) outside of the U.S. in places like Asia, Mexico and Europe. We can make more profit from the cheaper cost of labor in those Countries, although I blame George Bush for sending all of the other jobs out of Country. I served in Vietnam (four months).
Although I claim to be in favor of alternative energy sources, Ted Kennedy and I oppose windmills off Nantucket and Martha's Vineyard as it might spoil our view of the ocean as we cruise on our yachts. I served in Vietnam (four months).
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RECORDS AND REFERENCES:
None. However, I served in Vietnam (four months). -
PERSONAL I practice my Catholic faith whenever cameras are present. I ride a Serotta Bike. I love to ski/snowboard. I call my Gulfstream V Jet the "Flying Squirrel". I call my $850,000 42-foot Hinckley twin diesel yacht the "Scarmouche".
I am fascinated by rap and hip-hop and feel it reflects our real culture.
I own several "Large" SUVs including one parked at my Nantucket summer mansion, though I am against large, polluting, inefficient vehicles and blame George Bush for our energy problems. I served in Vietnam (four months).
PLEASE CONSIDER MY EXPERIENCE
WHEN VOTING IN 2004, AND PLEASE PASS THE INFORMATION ON TO YOUR FRIENDS!!
I numbered the subjects in your post so I can respond to each of them accordingly...-
So he has money, you can't tell me you wouldn't take it if it was offered to you. I'm surprised he doesn't have more mansions. At least he went to vietnam and did not have a politician (I forget the name, but a repub senator from texas admitted to leveraging him into the Texas air guard as a favor to his father...given the choices, I might have done the same thing to be honest)
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I've posted a lot on this topic http://www.vote-smart.org/voting_ca...can_id=S0421103 has more info than I have time to quote. I can say this. Kerry has voted for 4 Trillion dollars worth of military hardware spending. He has voted for 16 of 19 military appropriations. He has voted for every defense system that W has offered up. I can't comment on the fire hydrant part, don't know about it.
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Again, he went there, more than I can say for Bush. Then he didn't like what he saw there so he came back and protested the war. See my post in my poll thread where I talk about this. Kerry blamed the higher ups for ordering the attacks on villages, all the soldiers were doing was following orders. He stated, under oath, that he took part in these things as well, so it wasn't like he said "I'm squeeky clean, the other guys are animals". If Kerry and others had not spoken out about vietnam, and bravely did the right thing and testify to what he saw, we may well still be there.
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Bush also was a C average student. Kerry, at the time, did not have the financial ability to attend Harvard, but instead attended Boston College. He wasn't born rich (relative to now anyway), he just happened to marry into money...married up as he put it in the debates.
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And Bush has ever applied for a job?? He may be the only guy in the world who couldn't find oil in Texas when he ran an oil company there. See my Bush resume for more details there. At least the companies that Kerry has had his hand on (heinz) have not gone bankrupt OR had any major scandals (Enron/Halliburton/etc)
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Kerry voted to give the president the power to use force after all other measures were taken. He spoke publicly (I believe on the senate floor) that he did not want us to rush to war and to exhaust every avenue before engaging in combat. Bush ignored this, and took it as a green light to invade and occupy another country...a country that we have now found has no WMD's, Al-Qaeda connections(Duelfer Report, 9/11 Commission)...Iraq (according to the Duelfer report) has not been pursuing WMD's since the sanctions began in 1992.
As for taxes, they are going up either way if we want to balance this budget.
You yourself said that kerry only runs these companies vicariously through teresa heinz-kerry. I believe, and could be wrong, that you are right about the companies overseas, however, I believe that they supply their products to the countries they are based in primarily and little is imported to the US.
There has to be some sort of balance between clean energy and uncluttered landscape. So the windmill opposition doesn't surprise me. I wouldn't want one in my backyard either. I know the East coast doesn't have the vast open prairies that we do, but I'd rather see them in a field somewhere instead of where I plan to vacation. Marthas Vineyard is a very nice place, the economy there may be affected if these types of things are installed there as people may see them as an eyesore rather than a beneficial use of wind energy. I don't see any windmills on the whitehouse lawn either....
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Again see http://www.vote-smart.org/voting_ca...can_id=S0421103
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Many of us are religious when it is convenient. I'm sure he didn't just quit going to church for 16 years until this election came up.
Whats wrong w/ skiing and snowboarding? At least he partakes in healthy practices unlike Tubby (Clinton)
Name anyone who is an executive or is married to an executive at a major corporation that doesn't have a jetliner. The rate at which business changes, you need them. At least a twin diesel yacht should theoretically be more efficient than a gas version.
I like rap & hip-hop too. It does touch the culture of a lot of america. Some of it is over dramatized, but if we didn't like drama, we wouldn't be posting here now would we?
He's GUILTY!!! He owns an SUV!!!!! FUCK IT, I'm changing my vote!!!! /sarcasm off/
Now to be fair, I gave 47 reasons why I think Kerry would be a good president, give me 47 (give or take) as to why Bush is good. And don't put "Bush didn't" in front of your resume items.
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The thing that disgusts me the most is that Heinz corporation does outsource their labor internationally to lower costs. When he is trying to bring jobs into America, he already has the power to create jobs as is in the position he is right now, yet he refuses as it's a conflict of interest for him. What makes you say if we put him in the position to make a difference again, that a conflict of interest won't change his mind? I'm sorry but that's just disgusting to me.
I know I won't be able to convince you, but to be quite frankly honest people are republicans or democratic most of the time thanks to their background. I came from an agricultural family, that fell in the upper class, who owned businesses. Obivously I was raised a republican and I was shown that tax breaks for businesses DO create jobs. Democrats (let's not flame here) tend to be people of lower-middle class, as more programs are initiated by Democrats to help these people of their respective class. Once again the best quote ever...
"Ever been hired by a poor man?"
I haven't and I'll keep on voting republican until the day I do
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nah, I work 8-10 hours a day...after that I have nothing to do since my car is in the shop. The "ever been hired by a poor man" quote is a good one, but yes I have. When I worked for Roadsounds in Minot when Lyle Boehler owned it (when it was on broadway) I probably took home more money than he did.
I also was raised in an ag environment Beef, Dairy, small grains, and oil crops, and considered myself a republican until I got out on my own and started working. I'm personally not a fan of "trickle down economics", but I'm not a fan of handouts either. Ideally I would like to see offered some sort of tax cut to business owners for increasing the amount of people working in a business and/or increasing the average wage by more than the cost of living. Theoretically the gov't would get back the tax cut in the form of more (not higher, just more people working and paying in) income taxes being collected from more people.
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One thing that gets me is that people say Bush's taxes benefit the rich, when a recent IRS study showed that the top 2% of americans (wealth-wise) pay 98% of the taxes. Since when does that benefit the rich???
Besides that, the fact that Kerry doesn't know where he stands on jack shit, which is a risky stance when you're trying to be the most powerful man in the world. Funny how the manwho on the Intelligence Committee, saw the same info. Bush saw, was on the same page as Bush before Iraq, voted FOR the war originally but when it came election time voted against it, even though he saw all the information for the war.
This pretty much kills Kerry right here as well with his own recorded words
http://johnkerryads.websiteanimal.com/When it comes to our 2nd Amendment Rights, Taxes, Abortion i HAVE to endorse Bush. With the information he has he is making decisions to help America, even if we don't realize it, he probably has more information than we will ever know for 50+ years. (funny also how the Democrats always try to talk about how the "minority" is an important voice yet when the "minority" of Americans wanted to go to war etc. that we should listen to the majority there and not go, i guess we should only listen to the minority when it fits the Democratic agenda?)
Being as im typing a paper, watching a movie, and writing this it might not make sense so i'll try edit it to make more later but Kerry is easily one of the shittiest candidates for president (besides gore, and hillary if she ever runs) ever.
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amazing what happens when you take stuff out of context. Sure, Kerry said that he thought Saddam had WMD's. Based on what I was told I thought he did too, but, unfortunately, it was found (too late) that the President and his administration were relying on outdated/faulty information. Did the president know this? I don't know. If he did, he should be brought up on charges and impeached. What the member of the house and senate voted for was the authorization of the president to go to war AS A LAST RESORT. The ideology behind it (and the story they were told) is that we would go to the UN Security council and get a grand coalition to back us in our war should it come to that. We went, the rest of the world told us our intelligence was not good enough for them to support us in our war efforts. They suggested weapons inspectors that, guess what? Found no WMD's. Rather than listen to them, we ordered them removed and then decided to attack. I seem to recall Hans Blix saying something like "Give us more time, we have found no reason to attack, it appears that there are no weapons. Iraq and Saddam Hussein are cooperating w/ our requests to inspect weapons facilities." Had the vote to authorize war taken place AFTER we had the inspectors back in there, I feel there wouldn't have even been a majority of senators to vote for it. It wouldn't have passed if we had been given time to assess the situation entirely. How many reports have to come out saying that Saddam had nothing to do with 9/11 and 9/11 had nothing to do with Iraq. Maybe some intensive intelligence gathering should have taken place BEFORE we went in, like it was supposed to. Maybe we should have armed our men and women w/ appropriate gear/armor/vehicles BEFORE sending them into a hostile environment. Bush allegedly told the leader of the Moral Majority (I forget the guys name, do a google search) that he didn't expect any US casualties even after this individual said to prepare the US citizens for the fact that US servicemen and women would be dying. As for the minority of citizens wanting to go to war, I don't think that was the case, I think, based on what we were told, a vast majority wanted to go to war. Myself included. Afterall, if you can't trust the president, who can you trust? Then again, I should have been tipped off when several months after 9/11 bush stated that we have a department of mis-information to confuse terrorists with as well...it appears that they used that on the whole country.
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Anyone who says it was wrong to go to Iraq is a hardass and you should know that. WMD were a major reason for going yes, and we found chemicals that could be used to make them, not in large quantities, but they were there none the less(And if you listened to that link i showed you, Kerry believed they had large quantities of anthrax etc. as well). Even if there wasn't any, the moral reason for going and helping the people (who, unlike the press coverage shows, APPRECIATE us being there) is a good enough reason as any, and there is NO denying that he was a malicious leader who was cruel and inhumane to his people, you can't surgarcoat that fact. Why we chose Iraq over North Korea, thats Bush's decision. Either way we are there. It also was well known that when inspectors would show up to check out a plant/factory they were stalled for sometimes possibly up to 5 hours or more before being allowed in, PLENTY of time to move or hide illegal weapons or munitions.
It was also shown that some of the British intelligence was wrong, but we had already entered the war and couldn't just pull out, so you can't blame the President for getting and using wrong info from the British Intelligence now can you? We don't even know half of the story or information that the acting people in our country know so we really cant make educated guesses as to the reasons we went because they know infinitly more on the situation than us. But if it means anything, the troops still support bush 4 to 1 over Kerry. -
Where did I say don't deal with him? We should have not dealed with him when we did, we should have let the weapons inspectors do their jobs before jumping into a war with him. Ummmm.....what terrorists did he sponsor? The 9-11 Commission said there was no link between Saddam and terrorism. Period. As did the Duelfer report, as have countless other reports. Was Saddam a ruthless dictator? Absolutely. Should he be brought up on charges. Yes. Did he kill his own people. Yes. Did he attack America? No. Did he have the capability to attack america? No. Had anyone from his administration EVER killed a US citizen (outside of a time of war)? No. Was Saddam a part of Al Qaeda? No, he and Osama were sworn enemies, Osama accused Saddam of being a Muslim only when it was convenient to be one.
Let me put it this way, the Duelfer report has stated that
- Saddam did not have WMD's
- He hasn't had WMD's since 1992 when the sanctions were first imposed
- He didn't have the capability to make WMD's, at least not on short notice
- Despite what Bush says, he was not 45 minutes from a nuclear (or Nucular as bush would say) launch
- Even though he was taking advantage of the oil for food program, he wasn't using the resources gained from it to acquire WMD's
- Saddam had nothing to do w/ 9/11
- 9/11 had nothing to do with Iraq
- Bush fed us a line of BS as an excuse to invade Iraq (according to the report they knew that they had flawed intelligence but presented it as fact)
How many fucking reports need to come out saying the above before the hardcore right will accept it as fact. Bush lied to get us into Iraq. Period. Had he not lied, had he told us the truth that we were going in for a regime change, I would be behind him more.
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tjamz wrote:
Where did I say don't deal with him? We should have not dealed with him when we did, we should have let the weapons inspectors do their jobs before jumping into a war with him.IMO, we dealt with Saddam at the wrong time. I disagree, however, that we went too soon. The mistake that was made was letting him have so many chances to cover up his treachery. Pretend for a moment that you are a drug dealer with pounds of cocaine sitting in your basement. Why would the cops (UN) call and tell you months in advance that they are coming to raid your stash? We may never find WMD, but that does not mean that they were never there. Saddam had too much time to cover his tracks.
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So I guess the experts that they called upon in the 9-11 reports, Duelfer report, etc... that said that Saddam had no WMD's, did not have WMD's since 1992, complied w/ the UN in destroying what stockpiles he had, and didn't have a WMD program in waiting were wrong?
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just settle it once and forall..Vote Bush
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tjamz wrote:
So I guess the experts that they called upon in the 9-11 reports, Duelfer report, etc... that said that Saddam had no WMD's, did not have WMD's since 1992, complied w/ the UN in destroying what stockpiles he had, and didn't have a WMD program in waiting were wrong?
They may have had WMD, and maybe they didn't. All I am saying is that if the cops called me and said they were going to bust my drug lab with all my crack, I would dispose of the evidence at my friend "Syria's house" until I thought it was safe to start "cooking" again. Now back to cooking WMDs for me. -
What i'm saying is that you can't move a WMD manufacturing lab in even the 5 hours that the inspectors were delayed, we had alleged satellite photos of these places, you can't tell me we couldn't watch them to see if something was being moved and where it was being moved to. They may have had time to move the recipes, maybe...but just because you have the recipe to make a WMD doesn't mean that you are making one. I have the recipe for LSD and Crank but I don't make, do, or sell drugs. I'm not saying the sanctions should not have gotten tougher. I would have even gone so far as to say "If you don't let us in when we ask, we will just blow the place up".
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I also believe that there are/were WMD being made, or at least being worked on. There is no other reason that Sadom (yes I spelled it that way on purpose) was interfering and not comforming to the inspections.... especially when it came right down to the end where he knew we were gonna kick his ass if he didn't conform. Even he isn't stupid enough to take the beating he did for no reason. They either got the majority of the work out of the country, or it's still hidden in some underground bunkers somewhere is my guess. To think that he didn't have them is silly IMO. The UN inspectors were a joke, I even wonder if they were actually looking for anything, or if Sadom was just paying them off (as other UN programs were shown to be) and they would just drive around and pretend they were inspecting places.
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tjamz wrote:
Where did I say don't deal with him? We should have not dealed with him when we did, we should have let the weapons inspectors do their jobs before jumping into a war with him. Ummmm.....what terrorists did he sponsor? The 9-11 Commission said there was no link between Saddam and terrorism. Period. As did the Duelfer report, as have countless other reports. Was Saddam a ruthless dictator? Absolutely. Should he be brought up on charges. Yes. Did he kill his own people. Yes. Did he attack America? No. Did he have the capability to attack america? No. Had anyone from his administration EVER killed a US citizen (outside of a time of war)? No. Was Saddam a part of Al Qaeda? No, he and Osama were sworn enemies, Osama accused Saddam of being a Muslim only when it was convenient to be one.Let me put it this way, the Duelfer report has stated that
- Saddam did not have WMD's
- He hasn't had WMD's since 1992 when the sanctions were first imposed
- He didn't have the capability to make WMD's, at least not on short notice
- Despite what Bush says, he was not 45 minutes from a nuclear (or Nucular as bush would say) launch
- Even though he was taking advantage of the oil for food program, he wasn't using the resources gained from it to acquire WMD's
- Saddam had nothing to do w/ 9/11
- 9/11 had nothing to do with Iraq
- Bush fed us a line of BS as an excuse to invade Iraq (according to the report they knew that they had flawed intelligence but presented it as fact)
How many fucking reports need to come out saying the above before the hardcore right will accept it as fact. Bush lied to get us into Iraq. Period. Had he not lied, had he told us the truth that we were going in for a regime change, I would be behind him more.
I wasn't saying you said that. The whole point of my agrument is the fact that KERRY has agreed on almost all of the things with Bush at one point or another, he just turns around and disagrees later. HE SAID IRAQ WAS A THREAT, JOHN PERFECT KERRY said Iraq was a threat. He's just as bad, plus worse than Bush on almost every aspect of that. Just because Bush does things that the majority doesn't agree with doesn't mean he's wrong! People just can't seem to accept that fact. Oh yeah, 6 and 7 are pretty much the same thing AND...Kerry said Iraq had WMD's which makes your points 1 2 3 and 8 against Kerry as well.
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Based on intelligence that the Bush administration gave to congress (which we later found out was flawed and there was a very good chance that they knew it was flawed....some of the photos used in the intelligence briefings were from 1992... We have also found the Cheney & Rumsfeld were pushing to get damning info on Iraq that they could to push us to war) yes, John Kerry did vote to "Give President Bush the power, as a last resort, to go to war in Iraq....after all other options had been exhausted. And to build a coalition of Nations to go in with us so we don't have to bear the load alone." I guess it only takes 2 months or so to exhaust all your options. As for the Grand Coalition that we allegedly have: Great Brittain (actually, they did do a fairly good job of at least attempting to help us), Australia...and....ummm....oh yeah, who can forget that fearsome fighting force, known around the world as the innovators of fear and destruction....POLAND!!! Yay! Also, I ask, why did we go in without a plan to win the peace, shit anyone w/ our weaponry can win a fricken war...doesn't mean that peace will follow.
The same arguments keep going round and round here. The Duelfer report said flat-out that saddam didn't have the means to build WMD's and hasn't since 1992...also that the information that Bush gave congress was factually incorrect or outdated about the reasons to go to war. Hmmm...if he lied to congress, don't you think its just a little bit likely he lied to us?
PS. I won't be able to respond to these until friday, I will be out of town working...hmmm....maybe I should go AWOL from my job and campaign for Kerry instead....
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tjamz wrote:
Based on intelligence that the Bush administration gave to congress (which we later found out was flawed and there was a very good chance that they knew it was flawed....some of the photos used in the intelligence briefings were from 1992... We have also found the Cheney & Rumsfeld were pushing to get damning info on Iraq that they could to push us to war) yes, John Kerry did vote to "Give President Bush the power, as a last resort, to go to war in Iraq....after all other options had been exhausted. And to build a coalition of Nations to go in with us so we don't have to bear the load alone." I guess it only takes 2 months or so to exhaust all your options. As for the Grand Coalition that we allegedly have: Great Brittain (actually, they did do a fairly good job of at least attempting to help us), Australia...and....ummm....oh yeah, who can forget that fearsome fighting force, known around the world as the innovators of fear and destruction....POLAND!!! Yay! Also, I ask, why did we go in without a plan to win the peace, shit anyone w/ our weaponry can win a fricken war...doesn't mean that peace will follow.The same arguments keep going round and round here. The Duelfer report said flat-out that saddam didn't have the means to build WMD's and hasn't since 1992...also that the information that Bush gave congress was factually incorrect or outdated about the reasons to go to war. Hmmm...if he lied to congress, don't you think its just a little bit likely he lied to us?
PS. I won't be able to respond to these until friday, I will be out of town working...hmmm....maybe I should go AWOL from my job and campaign for Kerry instead....
Actually you should reword your comment about Poland, considering that 65% of the special ops forces in the UN designed to combat terrorism are from Poland.
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tjamz wrote:
PS. I won't be able to respond to these until friday, I will be out of town working...hmmm....maybe I should go AWOL from my job and campaign for Kerry instead....Your fingers need a break from all your rebuttals. sheesh Who's gonna take his Kerry lovin place for the next few days so that those of us who back Bush are gonna have someone to argue with?
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