Kerry lies again!

[My NOva]

Man why dosent this country have a thrid party, I dont care about any arguing between the two bush and kerry are both dubmasses we need "clinton" back in office LOL

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2k3WRXND wrote:
So your saying its in Heinz best interest to keep the products which they ship overseas, overseas itself correct? I mean it would be possible to keep themselves within America and export the products if Kerry was a true believer in bringing jobs to America. If not, Heinz is just trying to keep costs low, which all businesses do, and are practicing the same laws as others perform currently. I want to know what jobs are being outsourced, if they are going to India I guarentee a lot of them are unskilled IT support for particular products.
In a marketing sense, yes, it makes sense for them to keep products that are sold overseas to be manufactured overseas. Kerry himself has said that a certain degree of outsourcing will always happen, he said that during the debate, he's said it to labor unions across this country, it is the nature of a global economy. What Kerry does believe in is Americans making products that Americans use, of course we'd like to see ourselves do better on the export vs. import ratio, who wouldn't? Oh yeah...Bush. He seems to like CAFTA (Central Americas Free Trade Agreement) which will likely bankrupt (or seriously impair) our sugar beet growers in the valley. Guess what happens in an ag dependant state such as ND when the farmers go bankrupt? EVERYONE SUFFERS! The ag dollar turns over 5 times on main street. That is a proven fact. You won't be finding those jobs you say are so easy to get if the economy here goes to shit.

I guess Bush really is a uniter, hell 260,000,000 people have one thing in common, they can't find gainful employment. As for the 6% unemployment rate, part of the reason that number is so low is because after 6 months (or so, not sure the exact) you can't draw unemployment benefits and are no longer counted towards the percentage.

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RX8ownage wrote:
Oh i didn't know she wasnt the natural born daughter of the Heinz guy, but what did she do when she got married.

i didnt hear about the whole rob paige calling a teacher organization a terrorist organization...how stupid is that

So she can just make it all up and say" woah my bad, teachers are a real job" was that after everybody kinda opened their eyes and Mrs Heinz took it a lil to far?
Here is a copy/paste of all you'd want to know about Teresa

Teresa Heinz Kerry brings extraordinary ability, experience, and accomplishment to her husband’s campaign for President. Her extensive philanthropic work finding solutions to many of the most pressing challenges facing our nation, demonstrates she will be a leader helping our nation explore these issues, such as protecting the environment, our children, and the rights of women. She has been a fighter for human rights, and a strong supporter of the arts.

Born in Mozambique, fluent in several languages, she has combined compassion and common sense to become a force for innovation and social progress as leader of one of the nation's large private foundations. After studying at the University of the Witwatersrand in South Africa and the University of Geneva, she moved to the United States and got a job working for the Trusteeship Council of the United Nations. In 1966, she married Senator John Heinz whom she met when they were graduate students and with whom she had three sons. Shortly after celebrating their 25th wedding anniversary in 1991, she lost her husband in a plane crash.

Turning down offers to seek election to her husband's Senate seat to take care of her sons, family and professional responsibilities, she became chairman of The Howard Heinz Endowment and the Heinz Family Philanthropies. Under her leadership, the Heinz foundations are widely known for developing innovative strategies to protect the environment, improve education and the lives of young children, reduce the cost of prescription drugs, promote the arts and help women achieve financial economic security. She established the Women's Institute for a Secure Retirement in 1996 to educate women about pensions, savings, and retirement security.

Their mutual interest in environmental issues brought Teresa and John together. She was first introduced to John Kerry by Senator Heinz at an Earth Day rally in 1990. In 1992, she met Kerry again at the Earth Summit in Rio de Janeiro when President George H. W. Bush appointed her as part of a State Department Delegation representing U.S. non-governmental organizations. She and Sen. Kerry were married in the presence of her three sons and his two daughters on Memorial Day weekend in 1995. Teresa has received numerous awards and 10 honorary degrees for her many works. In September of last year, she was presented with the Albert Schweitzer Gold Medal for Humanitarianism, for her work protecting the environment, promoting health care and education and uplifting women and children throughout the world. She was elected a fellow of the American Academy of Arts and Sciences in 2001. In addition to her three sons and two step-daughters, Teresa is the almost inordinately (but understandably) proud grandmother of one grandchild.

[STiSchucky]

tjamz wrote:
In a marketing sense, yes, it makes sense for them to keep products that are sold overseas to be manufactured overseas. Kerry himself has said that a certain degree of outsourcing will always happen, he said that during the debate, he's said it to labor unions across this country, it is the nature of a global economy. What Kerry does believe in is Americans making products that Americans use, of course we'd like to see ourselves do better on the export vs. import ratio, who wouldn't? Oh yeah...Bush. He seems to like CAFTA (Central Americas Free Trade Agreement) which will likely bankrupt (or seriously impair) our sugar beet growers in the valley. Guess what happens in an ag dependant state such as ND when the farmers go bankrupt? EVERYONE SUFFERS! The ag dollar turns over 5 times on main street. That is a proven fact. You won't be finding those jobs you say are so easy to get if the economy here goes to shit.
im sure we both have family that are previous farmers and have lived off of the sugar beet, corn industry etc crops for a long time, but to say bush seems to like the CAFTA agreement is the true reason why alot of people suffer is dumb. This season, beet havesters have had one of it's worst in a long time. But not because of bush, but because of the condition the fields are in. Hell, we're forecasted to get another full week of rain until friday and how can bush control that? when you can't harvest, a lot of people here are going to suffer and thats one of the doubts with living off a farm like budget.

[STiSchucky]

man i dunno i dont trust mrs. heinz, it seems like she'll be all nice and sweet on the outside, but if you fault one of her decisions, she can blow up on you in any second.

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RX8ownage wrote:
So she can just make it all up and say" woah my bad, teachers are a real job" was that after everybody kinda opened their eyes and Mrs Heinz took it a lil to far?
No, she said that she didn't know if she ever had a real job. She didn't say "that lazy bitch never got off her ass a day in her life, shes just a gold-digger taking W's money, what a two bit whore...blah blah blah blah blah..." She didn't say that. Man, misquotes are gonna happen, people are going to say things on the spur of the moment that they later regret saying. At least Teresa Heinz-Kerry can admit to a mistake, I don't recall "W" answering that question during his last debate w/ Kerry, he just skirted around the issue saying history will decide. I think we can all agree that he has made at least one mistake (except Rush Limbaugh, Sean Hannity, etc..), we may not all agree on the same mistake, but damn, the guy is human, he makes mistakes, I can forgive him for mistakes, I can't forgive him for not admitting to them and making corrections so as not to repeat them.

[STiSchucky]

lol good point. but local talk show hosts are the worst. when you listen to sandy buttweiler and that other dude on teh valley view point on KFGO, they have no idea what their talking about...and Ed Schultz's crew just piss me off when they talk shit about our president. man who are they to say "My only specialty is how George Bush screws america".

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RX8ownage wrote:
im sure we both have family that are previous farmers and have lived off of the sugar beet, corn industry etc crops for a long time, but to say bush seems to like the CAFTA agreement is the true reason why alot of people suffer is dumb. This season, beet havesters have had one of it's worst in a long time. But not because of bush, but because of the condition the fields are in. Hell, we're forecasted to get another full week of rain until friday and how can bush control that? when you can't harvest, a lot of people here are going to suffer and thats one of the doubts with living off a farm like budget.
No, noone has suffered from CAFTA yet, it hasn't gone through yet, I'm speaking of the future of beet farming in the valley, not the past. BUT you can thank Dorgan/Pomeroy/Conrad/Daschle/etc.... for getting a disaster bill in to help ease the stress of a bad year. When Bush campaigned in SD 2 years ago for a republican senator/congressman (I forget who he campaigned for) he basically told the farmers to tough it out when they asked for disaster relief during one of the worst droughts in SD history. Yeah, I can see why he'd be a REAL GOOD president for ND, SD, MN, ID, KA, etc... with an attitude like that

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tjamz wrote:
No, noone has suffered from CAFTA yet, it hasn't gone through yet, I'm speaking of the future of beet farming in the valley, not the past. BUT you can thank Dorgan/Pomeroy/Conrad/Daschle/etc.... for getting a disaster bill in to help ease the stress of a bad year. When Bush campaigned in SD 2 years ago for a republican senator/congressman (I forget who he campaigned for) he basically told the farmers to tough it out when they asked for disaster relief during one of the worst droughts in SD history. Yeah, I can see why he'd be a REAL GOOD president for ND, SD, MN, ID, KA, etc... with an attitude like that
people make mistakes, W's only human.

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RX8ownage wrote:
lol good point. but local talk show hosts are the worst. when you listen to sandy buttweiler and that other dude on teh valley view point on KFGO, they have no idea what their talking about...and Ed Schultz's crew just piss me off when they talk shit about our president. man who are they to say "My only specialty is how George Bush screws america".
Have you listened to Ed's national show (890 AM out of Lisbon @ 2pm or 1080 out of Langdon)? Right now it is the fastest growing political talkshow of all time, and he is beating out Hannity in almost every market they compete in. It's actually pretty good, well, right now it's leaning HARD to the left but at least he lets anyone who wants to call his show...unscreened, unlike some others out there. I listen to Schultz (locally), Rush, Schultz (National show), then Fox News. I try for balance. I also sometimes listen to Air America via internet.

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RX8ownage wrote:
people make mistakes, W's only human.
As is Kerry.

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tjamz wrote:
Have you listened to Ed's national show (890 AM out of Lisbon @ 2pm or 1080 out of Langdon)? Right now it is the fastest growing political talkshow of all time, and he is beating out Hannity in almost every market they compete in. It's actually pretty good, well, right now it's leaning HARD to the left but at least he lets anyone who wants to call his show...unscreened, unlike some others out there. I listen to Schultz (locally), Rush, Schultz (National show), then Fox News. I try for balance. I also sometimes listen to Air America via internet.

I listen to local schultz in the morning (hes hardcore to the left right now, which is total BS. I haven't quite figured out how you swing from being a republican to a left wing fanatic). Then Rush, then Hannity. Hannity is a pimp.

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I agree...Ed is farther left than I am...I'm either a liberal republican or a conservative democrat...

[DaveH]

I'll try to pull n20's thread back onto topic...

Kerry repeated several times in each debate about how we let Bin Laden get away at Tora Bora by outsourcing the job of capturing him to local warlord forces. Now it turns out that we had imbedded troops in those forces. whoops! If he knew we had imbedded troops, then he was basically telling a lie. If he didn't know, then I guess he just didn't know what he was talking about.

[Flowcus]

RX8ownage wrote:
Cheap labor is hard to find. why not find a person in India that'll work for like 1 dollar an hour opposed to a person in america that'll work for 7 an hour making tennis shoes.

You along with drake are both idiots... I didnt find the time to read through all the posts, but honestly you think this is a good thing? Not quite! Good for the company... yes. But this being good for a company isnt good for the economy. Just because a company is saving millions upon millions of dollars a year paying some poor bastard in india such a feeble amount of money to sit in a fucking shop for 12-14hrs a day and come home with enough money for a loaf of bread and a couple cups of milk for his family, doesnt mean they are putting that money back into our economy.

All you right wing sons of bitches care about is how much more money you are going to make a year. How much more your bank account is going to grow each year. Fuck that im all about helping out the ones that struggle pay check to pay check to help their family and give them what they need. All those companies are doing is taking their millions in savings and dumping it right back into more factories around the world to make and save even more money. Hell half the time the money isnt even deposited in american banks.

I remember reading an article that said we are 3+ trillion dollars in debt but there is only 666billion american dollars in circulation around the world. This is actual paper money not some electronic funds or some imaginary number in some banks computers. So yeah Vote bush keep the fucking republicans in office... allow them to keep jobs from the american people and move their companies over seas. Allow the right wings to further the damage already done to our economy. What do they care... their pockets will always be lined. I dont know a single fucking republican that knows what an over draft is... and no its not because they know how to save their money its because they dont care who's toes they step on to get to the top of the stairs... their going to get there no matter what it takes.

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But it still benefits us. Keeps the prices of the products low; plus some of these 3rd world countries depend on that for a living. There was a 20/20 on it that all the people who opposed it didn't understand it's real importance.

[n2o]

Thanks Dave, and Jim can we please cut the balls off all future thread hijackers !

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in with which forces? The taliban or the forces that tried to take out Bin Laden? Probably both. In either case we still should not have let the Afghan forces be the ones to try and capture Bin Laden. Why did we trust the Afghan forces to do this anyway? The Taliban/Al-Qaeda were the ones responsible for 9-11 and we decided to let someone else play out the potential end game. Regardless of if we had imbedded forces in there we should have had more control over what was done, IMO. Maybe we would have missed him too, but at least we could say we tried all we could. Why, I ask, did we divert away from Bin Laden to attack Iraq? Especially w/o capturing/killing Bin Laden. In my opinion we are doing exactly as the Al-Qaeda wanted...they knew (or at least suspected) that we were eager to go to war w/ Iraq and by attacking the US they knew it would get us into war mode...noone messes with america, right? Well, once in war mode, we might as well take out our old nemesis Saddam Hussein....spreading our forces thin in the process, fighting 2 wars on 2 fronts w/ little support from the rest of the world. As soon as we had Saddam out of power it gave them a great opportunity to come into Iraq and spread their terror by capturing/killing "innocent" civilians and/or contractors. This would of course infuriate the US and cause us to spend EXTREME amounts of money to try and bring key individuals to justice....all the while deepening the debt that the US government was accruing. At this rate we will essentially be bankrupt as a nation in matter of years, we will have exhausted our borrowing ability from our allies, leaving us with a huge debt and effectively bent over the barrel when it comes to returning favors....thereby weakening the United States and making us not seem like such a Superpower/Saviour to the world. Bush has too much of a "cowboy" go it alone attitude. He's too damn stubborn (stupid?) to admit a mistake has EVER been made, and too damn determined to change his ways. I'll admit Kerry has made mistakes, he, for the most part, will own up to them, that is a sign of courage IMHO. To admit when you are wrong is a trait we should all have.

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Flowcus wrote:
You along with drake are both idiots... I didnt find the time to read through all the posts, but honestly you think this is a good thing? Not quite! Good for the company... yes. But this being good for a company isnt good for the economy. Just because a company is saving millions upon millions of dollars a year paying some poor bastard in india such a feeble amount of money to sit in a fucking shop for 12-14hrs a day and come home with enough money for a loaf of bread and a couple cups of milk for his family, doesnt mean they are putting that money back into our economy.

All you right wing sons of bitches care about is how much more money you are going to make a year. How much more your bank account is going to grow each year. Fuck that im all about helping out the ones that struggle pay check to pay check to help their family and give them what they need. All those companies are doing is taking their millions in savings and dumping it right back into more factories around the world to make and save even more money. Hell half the time the money isnt even deposited in american banks.

I remember reading an article that said we are 3+ trillion dollars in debt but there is only 666billion american dollars in circulation around the world. This is actual paper money not some electronic funds or some imaginary number in some banks computers. So yeah Vote bush keep the fucking republicans in office... allow them to keep jobs from the american people and move their companies over seas. Allow the right wings to further the damage already done to our economy. What do they care... their pockets will always be lined. I dont know a single fucking republican that knows what an over draft is... and no its not because they know how to save their money its because they dont care who's toes they step on to get to the top of the stairs... their going to get there no matter what it takes.
well maybe you should cause i later on said its good for the company and bad for the economy and the people. if you were the head hauncho of a major corp. ud do the same. btw, im not gonna read it all, you are the one that said Iraq and the Taliban went to war

[Flowcus]

Thread hijacking is something your going to have to deal with... its a way of life on any forums you join. Doesnt matter where you go its always going to be there.

And with me and kirk around its probably never going to quit. I would think you would know this by now but somethings obviously have to be pointed out.

Not trying to be a dick and I appologize for jacking your thread, but im not about to waste jims space to start a new thread just to get my point across when I can just as easily keep it in a thread thats already a political topic. Just get used to being jacked... you could start a thread about Threads getting Hijacked and im sure someone would find a way to hijack it... expecially kirk.