Election results....
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99slowGSX wrote:
any reasons why or do you love the oil cartel that is running our government right now.:pwell saddam is innocent right? lets put him back in office.
"I could do this better"- yet they offer no solutions, thats the demorats platform.
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2slo50h wrote:
I love my Blue state.
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STiSchucky wrote:
well saddam is innocent right? lets put him back in office."I could do this better"- yet they offer no solutions, thats the demorats platform.
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there is no argument about saddam because that was part of anti terrorism that happened after 9/11. Maybe democrats like to worry about our country instead of being the world police.
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Economy has never been stronger when democrats are in office.
I am a centralist and like both parties, but it is time for a change.
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umm, take a look at the economic numbers now, growth is well ahead of where it was at any time in the clinton administration. also the Reagan Administration says "hi"
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but you're right, those jimmy carter years were strong. nothing beats stagflation... well besides a baseball bat to the nuts
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Democrats FTW
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torbs wrote:
democrats know how to do one thing...TAXAnd republicans know how to do one thing....borrow. Tell me how that will be paid back w/o taxes? Even worse is we borrow from communist countries at an alarming rate (China for example). Aren't they everything we as Americans hate? Flip-flop-flip-flop-flip-flop
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tjamz wrote:
And republicans know how to do one thing....borrow. Tell me how that will be paid back w/o taxes? Even worse is we borrow from communist countries at an alarming rate (China for example). Aren't they everything we as Americans hate? Flip-flop-flip-flop-flip-flopare you talking about debt?
we aren't exactly borrowing from any country. INDIVIDUALS from all countries are investing in our dollar to cover our debt, some may be from china who knows, but it encourages investment in our country, we benefit. America isnt going to go bankrupt ever, thats not going to change
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STiSchucky wrote:
but you're right, those jimmy carter years were strong. nothing beats stagflation... well besides a baseball bat to the nutsAnd ALL of the rising deficit/spending took place after he took office, right? He was elected because of those problems, however in his 4 years in office, he was unable to reverse them, and admittedly things got worse. Bush came into office with surpluses and turned it into the fastest growing deficit in history. Ask any economist, deficits matter.
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99slowGSX wrote:
prove it....we had surplusses in the years clinton was in office.
Anyone who would have been in office during those years would have had a surplus..the Dot Com boom was the reason the 90's were such great economic years, not Clinton. The economy was already slipping down before Clinton was even out of office and continued on that trend until just recently when it's started climbing again.Also let me say this...taxes are the main source of revenue for the Government (duh everyone knows that) so obviously they will always exist. Doesn't matter what party is in power, they will tax you no matter WHAT your economic position is. It's unfair to say Democrats tax the rich more or Republicans tax the middle class more as BOTH parties will raise taxes in certain areas and affect everyone. Income tax is mainly what people focus on but you have to realize that the death tax, state sales taxes, federal sales taxes, luxury taxes, etc etc. are also revenue sources as well. Sure one party may lower income taxes, but in return they're going to raise a different one in order to make up for that money loss because come on people, politicians love their money and no matter what the SAY, they're going to try get as much of it as possible with the least amount of people realizing it.
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99slowGSX wrote:
or republican know one thing.....make the rich richer and teh middle class non existant. The middle class is shrinking everyday...The so called "rich" are the ones that create jobs...also, taxing somebody more when they are "rich" doesn't seem right. It's like punishing them simply because they've been successful in life. Middle class shrinking? Unemployment is at its lowest compared to past years. The economy is definately on the up also. You have to remember what our economy has been through the last while...granted war helps the stock market a lot of the time, there was 9/11 which really took a toll on the market.
You guys all really should watch fox news...you know...UNBIASED news.
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torbs wrote:
The so called "rich" are the ones that create jobs...also, taxing somebody more when they are "rich" doesn't seem right. It's like punishing them simply because they've been successful in life. Middle class shrinking? Unemployment is at its lowest compared to past years. The economy is definately on the up also. You have to remember what our economy has been through the last while...granted war helps the stock market a lot of the time, there was 9/11 which really took a toll on the market.You guys all really should watch fox news...you know...UNBIASED news.
what does unemployment and middle class have anything to do with it? You really need to get a clue before you chime in. The middle class IS shrinking. Just because you have a job doesnt mean you are middle class. Bush gives tax breaks to people that already have more than enough money. I think it is Warren Buffet that even said that rich people are not taxed enough.
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torbs wrote:
The so called "rich" are the ones that create jobs...also, taxing somebody more when they are "rich" doesn't seem right. It's like punishing them simply because they've been successful in life. Middle class shrinking? Unemployment is at its lowest compared to past years. The economy is definately on the up also. You have to remember what our economy has been through the last while...granted war helps the stock market a lot of the time, there was 9/11 which really took a toll on the market.You guys all really should watch fox news...you know...UNBIASED news.
While I agree that overly taxing the rich is wrong, I still think that a 35% tax on someone earning $300,000+ a year is fine, hell, 40% is fine as it's pretty easy to live off $180,000. The thing I DON'T like is when the taxation doesn't discriminate between people and small business owners. Business owners should be cut many breaks, being as they are the ones creating most of the new jobs.
Also cracking down on tax fraud is another thing that should be done as several billion dollars in tax revenue are lost each year due to tax evasion/fraud. Bringing in that extra money they should be getting would require less hikes on those who actually DO pay their taxes.
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Because a flat tax would murder the poor, progressive taxes are pretty much a necessity. An easier way to tax the rich without raising their income taxes is to raise luxury taxes on items like yachts, lambo's, ferrari's, etc. Obviously that'd be a PITA to classify certain cars/boats/etc. as luxury vs non luxury (what makes a Lund boat not as luxurious as a $400,000 yacht etc etc.) but at least it's not a direct tax....if you want the item you will be willing to pay the tax while at the same time are not going to be forced to pay it and purchase the unnecessary item.
The main problem with the whole system is the bureaucratic bullshit that has to be waded through before anything gets accomplished. There are TONS of ways to fix taxes, raising government revenue, while helping the poor and not overly taxing the rich, it's just that paper and real life are 2 different things. On top of that, implementing certain projects and ideas would be extremely costly, mainly due to the bureaucracy's again and all the red tape you have to go through to get something accomplished (categorizing what is and isn't taxed, how much, who it would affect, etc etc). If all that could be gotten around it'd work...but even if you COULD get around that, they'll add on some pork barrel shit to it in the house and get it killed. That's the way a republic works for you.
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Lets say that I make 5 million dollars a year. I worked hard and busted ass to earn every penny of that 5 million. Why should I have to give more of my money to the government than the guy who makes 30k a year? I worked hard for it, but why should they take more from me just because I make more?
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