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'96 Cougar V8, pretty much all stock but like to rod on it now and then. Dream mod is the all Aluminum '01 Explorer V8 swap for 300HP on pump gas and 300+ with a good tune on premiuim. A blower brings it up to 400+ That's the cheapest and easiest route for these particular cars as far as I know, mostly plug-and-play aside from moving the oil dipstick and oil cooler/filter lines. Usually spend my time on Cougarnuts and ModularDepot forums (since some of the posters/mods are old members of the MN12 Cougar and SN95 Mustang design team... convenient)

No metal? No problem!

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it could be done in a month, working weekends and an hour or 2 at night during the week

that was my point from the beginning, its not a weekend project... so far no one has fullfilled my request for links and parts and cost lists, or a realistic budget, which is what I think Kidsupreme was looking for in the first place besides genereal thoughts. All I've heard is just a "I can do it with some stuff that will probably work" reply.

the fact that everything from your firewall foreward is homemade is quite impressive and comendable, and I respect your skillls for doing so. In fact I will say that you're skills are definately better than mine. But you still have failed to answer my questions and comments specificly and I would like to see a realistic timeframe and budget for this project.

Fuck that no way, that will never work
Fuck that, it had remote inductance
It doesnt even have spark plugs... jeez
Its called a F-U member..... dumbass

Nice, now you're just flapping your lips

> zbrown

Of the two of us it seems that I'm the only one mentioning or asking about potential mechanical problems with this swap. I would have been perfectly happy if you countered my posts with possible answers to those problems but it seems that all you want to do is flood the thread with "you're stupid" trash talk instead of suggesting sensible solutions.

Tell you what... you find me at least 2 different links to people that have done this particular swap (pictures would be nice). I'd like to see a list of problems they ran into and what they did to solve them and the issues that I've already mentioned. Also, an itemized list for the cost of ordering or fabricating those parts with a grand total for the engine and other parts needed. You can even create the walkthrough from you're own personal experience completing this particular swap. I expect no less from a good engine swap walkthrough (and have seen quite a few swap walkthroughs organized just as well or better).

If you can do this I will admit that this is just a typical plug-and-play, one-weekend-and-case-of-beer swap and let you reign over the domain of this thread. Please don't dissappoint me with anything less than a serious reply to this.

this kind of swap...its not hard, it just takes time and research

and money, just saying he might be better off with something a little more plug-and-play, if working on a budget. If money were no object you could do a turbine engine swap.

my view on the matter is that if it costs more to do the swap than to just buy the car, then why bother, unless you just wanna show off that you have money to spend on odd projects. I dont think the 2.3 project is going to be any cheaper than the Monster Miata kit in the end.

And a Thunderbird 8.8 IRS is a pretty rock-solid rearend, and one of the reasons that a thunderbird can handle just as well as mustang of the same year, despite the car being 500lbs heavier

If you ask any Ford gearhead about swapping a 5.0 into a 2.3 foxbody, they'll tell you the cheapest and best way to do is to plain trade in the 2.3 and buy a stock 5.0.

The Ford K-member was designed to accept both the 2.3 mounts and the 5.0 mounts.... if you get a k-member just for swapping the 5.0 into the miata you'll probly run into some major issues with getting the 2.3 mounted. The wireharnesses between a 2.3 and 5.0 are completely different, to the point that some of the pin-outs are different. The fuel line connections are on opposite sides of the engine.

The Monster Miata kit isn't gonna be much help for this one. You'll still find that you need a lot of custom work and that the usual kits aren't going to help much at all

...and don't even get me started on if your donor car had a TFI ignition system.. even the Ford guys are ashamed of that one (especially if the resistor gel overheated, leaked and started the module on fire). :eek: I know you would use the miata ignition, but who knows what issues you might run into with spark plugs and grounds and general wiring, the TFI had super-high risistance on one end in the modules and super-low resistance on the other end to cope with it.

I didn't know there were kits for dropping a 5.0 into a miata.. that swap is kind of frightening.. kewl though :woot:

I'm sorry that you're so familiar with the term "flaccid", I'm rather glad that I'm so unfamliar with it that I misspelled

Yup, obviously when I mentioned that he needs to get custom engine mgmt, it was so obvious that all he needed to do was "tweak" the Mazda computer a little bit. It's not like I was trying to point out that it wasn't as simple as calling the local corner parts store and picking up a "one-size-fits-all" tune.

I can see it now: "Hi, I need a custom tune and a PCM to make a old Ford engine run in a Mazda that's 10 years newer." "No problem, we got 4 of 'em! -And you don't even need to dyno or anything, only nOOb's need that for such a cross-company, international, custom job. But really you can just plug the USB port from any new cellphone into your PCM and make Wookie noises into the receiver, that will write you a great tune. Make noises like a Shetland Terrier for a more aggressive tune, but you'll need to run premium fuel for that."

I think most intelligent people knew that I was suggesting a dyno and custom tune to make his Ford engine run in the Mazda and even send info to his stock Mazda cluster, even with that difference in years. <u>I was pointing out that it might get a bit spendy with writing the code and all, to the point that it could be a complete project killer considering his budget.</u> At least I responded with something constructive, rather than "That post is stoooopid"

FYI - intelligent means smart, sorry if I exceeded your vocabulary, oops, sorry again.

And get your own SNAPpy comebacks instead of stealing mine waving it around flacidly.

zbrown needs mouth management... oooooohhh SNAP! :eek: :owned:

OK, let me clarify... Do the engine mounts match or are they close enough to fab custom mounts? Will the output/flexplate interface with the transmission input at all? Is the Ford engine relatively the same length as the Mazda engine bay or is it much longer/shorter cause the boreXstroke is possibly completely different? Will custom parts be expensive? Where will you get them? Do the custom parts have to be drilled and tapped to metric specs on one side and USstandard specs on the other? Has anyone done this before?

The point I was trying to make is that this swap may not be as simple as swapping one Honda engine for another in a Civic, the <u>PCM is really the least of the obstacles presented, and that may involve a custom board and program rather than just a re-flash</u>. This is putting an '85 Ford into a '90-somthing Mazda. On Cybertron, the Ford trying to get inside this cute little Mazda would be considered a dirty old man, and there would be questions about whether or not this was considered Statutory Robot Rape.

KidSupreme asked about thoughts on the swap, and I spoke up. But I'll shut up now since I'm obviously a just a stupid git.

Occasionally...

I think Ford and Mazda have only been in eachother's pants for the past 10 years or so, so you might have issues with engine mgmt, the PCM won't know what the hell is going on. Sounds interesting, though. If yer gonna go that far then maybe even experiment with an alternative fuel... maybe puppies?

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