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4doorsslow wrote:
but do i wanna be caught nekid somewhere when i don't feel safe and reach for it and its gone nope...
ummmm..... what?:icon_scratch:i am also damn proud of the guns i own, they are all "toys" to me..... and i love to use them, legally... if you have a problem with me having them and or using them.... please feel free to cunsult the second amendment.....
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Parker wrote:
ok city boy....
You got me good on that one.Parker wrote:
well.... cops quit bugging me ever since i obtained a license to carry... they usualy think twice about pulling you over for stupid shit.... and i usualy do carry..... at least in my car
So let me get this straight country boy, when the cops catch you speeding or comitting some other minor infraction or whatever else you may classify as "stupid shit", they know that you have a license to carry therefore they don't mess with you.Your logic is that you're above the law because you have a concealed weapon permit, that's right up there with the stupidest thing I've ever heard. Ever.
I'm not arguing your right to bear arms, but please explain why cops don't bug you because you own a gun.
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Parker wrote:
a little quick to judge there.... were in my post did i say i was going to get into a shoot out? im not going to throw my life away.... and im not a violent person.... its my right to own a gun.... and i got a license to garry that gun if i choose.... i dont walk around with it... i mearly leave it in my truck.... i also live out in the middle of nowere, remember when those people killed that guy and cut his head off over drugs..... that was a mile away from my house.... i never know what im going to run into around here.... people come out to my part of the counrty all the time and do/deal drungs. and frankly i dont feel safe with meth heads (wich the PD dosent seem to catch) driving around out here... and another thing, why would i announce to the world what i carry around.... its none of you buisness as well as the next guys.... but i will tell you its none of that pussy ass 9mm shit..... and dont fucking call me a kid.... and dont be so quick to judge....So the jist of this is that I should be more careful when i do meth near your house, or just when I'm near your truck???
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Seven1 wrote:
You got me good on that one.So let me get this straight country boy, when the cops catch you speeding or comitting some other minor infraction or whatever else you may classify as "stupid shit", they know that you have a license to carry therefore they don't mess with you.
Your logic is that you're above the law because you have a concealed weapon permit, that's right up there with the stupidest thing I've ever heard. Ever.
I'm not arguing your right to bear arms, but please explain why cops don't bug you because you own a gun.
yes i said i was above the law<----- sarcasim.... did i ever once say i was above the law? do you have a reading problem? maybe you need to get some glasses.... i just said they usualy think twice about pulling you over just to pull you over a.k.a. for something stupid.... like for instance i was listening to my scanner (which i now know is illegal to have in a motor vehicle regardless if it works or not) and they were profiling some little honda with a fart can... but they didnt have any legit reason to pull him/her over.... so they go "well, his liscense plate has a little bit of snow on it".... and they pulled him/her over for that.... that i classify as stupid shit.... i never said that they would'nt pull you over for doing sothing illegal.... i always kept my nose clean, but yet since i drove a loud lil import they would "profile me"(pulling me over for doing a burnout in a AWD CAR!!!)..... now they dont.... they dont bug me over stupid shit anymore.... so with your logic.... you think that everyone that has a permit to carry is above the law? well.... then i would have to say going by your logic that everyone get a permit to carry:icon_joker:and thanks for moving it to "run your mouth" Wes.. i was just going to ask someone to do it
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MethodlesS wrote:
So the jist of this is that I should be more careful when i do meth near your house, or just when I'm near your truck???
i would say near my house..... but if your near my house your most likely near my truck... hmmmm, im going to have to think about that one, lol
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Parker wrote:
well.... cops quit bugging me ever since i obtained a license to carry... they usualy think twice about pulling you over for stupid shit.... and i usualy do carry..... at least in my car
Parker wrote:
yes i said i was above the law<----- sarcasim.... did i ever once say i was above the law? do you have a reading problem? maybe you need to get some glasses.... i just said they usualy think twice about pulling you over just to pull you over a.k.a. for something stupid.... like for instance i was listening to my scanner (which i now know is illegal to have in a motor vehicle regardless if it works or not) and they were profiling some little honda with a fart can... but they didnt have any legit reason to pull him/her over.... so they go "well, his liscense plate has a little bit of snow on it".... and they pulled him/her over for that.... that i classify as stupid shit.... i never said that they would'nt pull you over for doing sothing illegal.... i always kept my nose clean, but yet since i drove a loud lil import they would "profile me"(pulling me over for doing a burnout in a AWD CAR!!!)..... now they dont.... they dont bug me over stupid shit anymore.... so with your logic.... you think that everyone that has a permit to carry is above the law? well.... then i would have to say going by your logic that everyone get a permit to carry:icon_joker:Maybe YOU have a writing problem because I can't figure out what you're trying to say. What does you saying you don't get pulled over because you have a liscense to pack heat have to do with the cops profiling a ricer car?
I'm gonna guess that you are trying to say that since you have a truck, you don't get pulled over as much as you did with an import car. I have no clue what that has to do with guns though.
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i do have a writing problem..... im just trying to fuel the fire.... which i succeeded in doing
all in all i was just mearly saying that in my experience i havent been pulled over for stupid shit (not doing anything wrong) ever since i obtained a permit.... jeese -
If i were a cop, i most definately wouldn't pull someone over if they had a permit to carry......they could be really dangerous.....alot more dangerous than the people who don't have a permit to carry, because criminals wouldn't carrry a weapon without a permit.
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inspector01 wrote:
If i were a cop, i most definately wouldn't pull someone over if they had a permit to carry......they could be really dangerous.....alot more dangerous than the people who don't have a permit to carry, because criminals wouldn't carrry a weapon without a permit.Almost didn't catch the sarcasm there and was about to spout about how CC permit holding citizens are statistically some of the most law abiding people in the nation.
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PineInchNenis69 wrote:
Wrong. Most cops carry 9mm's, wussy ass rounds compared to a .45, .40, 10mm, .357mag, .44mag, etc... Also statistics have shown police are HORRIBLE in gunfights, they miss like 90% of shots fired in real life shooting situations. Sure it's still probably a non issue, but the police for the most part are no better with a gun than Joe Schmoe.I don't know about fargo or bismarck, but I've read on the Minot Police department's website that Officer's in Minot are ONLY allowed to carry 9mm or .45ACP/AUTO, in semi automatic, of reputable manufacture. Meaning .357, .40, .44, and 10mm are not allowed by the Minot PD.
Furthermore as to your post, don't be so quick to label a 9mm a pussy gun. Perhaps they are smaller and have less "stopping power", but please remember that a .22 if placed properly is a lethal round.
I speak from personal experience when I say this, but I personally went from carrying a Walther P99 .40 to a P99 9mm because of the larger mag capacity, the more affordable ammo(winchester white box in 9mm is almost half the cost of .40), and overall it's a smaller frame which is easier to conceal.
Furthermore the "stopping power" of a round is not calculated merely by velocity or caliber. It depends on the trauma caused by the round. That is, to say that a .40 FMJ is deadlier than a 9mm JHP would be a false statement. Full metal jacketed rounds are designed more or less to go through objects, in modern ammunition FMJ is most commonly used for target rounds, and in LE/military situations for armor piercing rounds.
Jacketed hollow points on the other hand are designed to mushroom, which will cause a lot more trauma than the FMJ round.
Most cops are trained to be just as lethal with a .22 as with a 9mm, .40, .45, or any larger bore weapon. The emphasis is not on caliber or muzzle velocity, or even weight(grain). Sure most agencies have standards and requirements/recommendations. However when ANY law enforcement agent is trained, be it border patrol, city, county, state, or federal, the emphasis is not on the weapon or cartridge itself. The ephasis is on SHOT PLACEMENT.
You can shoot someone in the leg with a 12 gauge, most damage it can do, sever the limb, they can bleed out if medical treatment is not received in time, however, they would still have time to shoot back.
If you shoot someone in the upper spine(between the shoulders and the base of the skull) with a .22, you can paralyze them from the neck down and would have no ability to shoot back.
Caliber does not matter, shot placement does.
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4doorsslow wrote:
personally i carry and i feel safe where i live but do i wanna be caught nekid somewhere when i don't feel safe and reach for it and its gone nope..I am glad that I am not put in the position where I feel that the need to carry a gun to feel safe. Especially in Bismarck ND.:rolleyes:
Talk about some stupid logic. I could rant on about this but I wont so...I ask:
What good is going to come from you carrying a gun around???.
Obviously you choose to live the life you live, and the only person who forces you to make choices in your life is yourself. Also you are the only person that can put yourself in a situation where you feel a gun is beneficial.
Personally I would not put myself in that situation. If I were I would do something positive to transform my lifestyle to make it a non issue in my life.
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tweak wrote:
I don't know about fargo or bismarck, but I've read on the Minot Police department's website that Officer's in Minot are ONLY allowed to carry 9mm or .45ACP/AUTO, in semi automatic, of reputable manufacture. Meaning .357, .40, .44, and 10mm are not allowed by the Minot PD.Furthermore as to your post, don't be so quick to label a 9mm a pussy gun. Perhaps they are smaller and have less "stopping power", but please remember that a .22 if placed properly is a lethal round.
I speak from personal experience when I say this, but I personally went from carrying a Walther P99 .40 to a P99 9mm because of the larger mag capacity, the more affordable ammo(winchester white box in 9mm is almost half the cost of .40), and overall it's a smaller frame which is easier to conceal.
Furthermore the "stopping power" of a round is not calculated merely by velocity or caliber. It depends on the trauma caused by the round. That is, to say that a .40 FMJ is deadlier than a 9mm JHP would be a false statement. Full metal jacketed rounds are designed more or less to go through objects, in modern ammunition FMJ is most commonly used for target rounds, and in LE/military situations for armor piercing rounds.
Jacketed hollow points on the other hand are designed to mushroom, which will cause a lot more trauma than the FMJ round.
Most cops are trained to be just as lethal with a .22 as with a 9mm, .40, .45, or any larger bore weapon. The emphasis is not on caliber or muzzle velocity, or even weight(grain). Sure most agencies have standards and requirements/recommendations. However when ANY law enforcement agent is trained, be it border patrol, city, county, state, or federal, the emphasis is not on the weapon or cartridge itself. The ephasis is on SHOT PLACEMENT.
You can shoot someone in the leg with a 12 gauge, most damage it can do, sever the limb, they can bleed out if medical treatment is not received in time, however, they would still have time to shoot back.
If you shoot someone in the upper spine(between the shoulders and the base of the skull) with a .22, you can paralyze them from the neck down and would have no ability to shoot back.
Caliber does not matter, shot placement does.
I think I worded that wrong as I look at it. What I meant was first off, yes many police departments are being smart and switching to .40's and .45's rather than the 9mm rounds. I meant that the police were usually outgunned fairly easily because almost anything better than a rock can stop you easier than a 9mm round. I wasn't even considering FMJ rounds because honestly who carries FMJ's for self defense? You'd be retarded to NOT carry hollow points for personal protection.
Shot placement, yeah thats all that matters, and for the most part police (and people in general) suck at shot placement when a shootout occurs. You could kill a bear with a pellet gun if you shot it in the eye, but do you honestly think you'd have the time/balls to hold up, stop, aim, and shoot the bear in the eye as it was chasing you down? No. Do you honestly think police officers have enough time to stop, aim at someones head/spine, and shoot? No. What happens is a confrontation occurs and they make a split second decision to shoot. If it were me in their shoes I'd want to make damn sure that the rounds I was shooting would have stopping power. I've seen pictures of people that were shot IN THE FACE with a 9mm round and it lodged right below their nose and they survived. That wouldn't happen with a .40, .22, .357mag, .44mag, .50, etc.
That basically is what I was trying to say.
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