Michael Vick

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[StangerBanger96]

bout damn time

[Cura86]

Dog fighting? That's weak for a NFL player. He's gonna get made fun of from his murdering and raping teammates.

[Tad218]

But the dogs involved did not receive prize fighter treatment. Prosecutors alleged that the losing dogs were sometimes executed -- drowned, hanged, shot or electrocuted.
fucking sick

Vick the football player I do like though...even when he tears up the Vikings

[HandoEX]

Michael and Marcus Vick are not the brightest star athletes the world has ever seen. Stupidity must run in their family.

[STiSchucky]

This guys a POS.

He sucks at qb and sucks at life. The only reason why hes a millionaire is cause he's fast.

I hope he gets jail time and the Vikings open week 1 with Joey Harrington as the falcons qb

[Ngige]

What an ASS. I just dont get it with some of these FUCKERS life is good for them and the have to go do somthing so fucked up.

[Irish]

HandoEX;177714 wrote:
Michael and Marcus Vick are not the brightest star athletes the world has ever seen. Stupidity must run in their family.

exactly how the hell can someone be that stupid? You would assume that if you had the whole world watching you, you would be a little more careful. I guess not.

Killing Dogs for sport wow talk about fuqin stupid

[SmitEvo]

Yep I hate Michael Vick even more now, killing dogs by drowning them, electrocuting them, and body slamming them is just plain brutal.

[thurmanmerman]

What and asshat. I hope he gets jail time and never plays football ever again.

[thrash]

I hesitate to bring this up, but I am going to anyway just to see if there's any intelligent discussion possible.

Firstly, i think this guy's behavior is reprehensible, and can't fathom how someone could do what he's done.

Now, all of that said...

Why are animals more protected than other types of property? If he's the legal owner of the dogs, why can't he do whatever he wants to to them?

My impression is that people's views on animals are emotional and societally grounded, and not in any real rational framework.

Evidence of this is obvious when you look at what people eat. In other cultures eating dogs and horse is common. In some places eating chimpanzee or other ape species is common. Those creaturs can be taught sign language and communicate meaningfully with humans, and some gorillas have even kept pets of their own. Why do we love eating fish, deer, etc, but dont think it's ok to eat dolphins, horse, apes?

Adventerous Americans, and almost all pacific rim countries, eat octopus as a dietary staple... yet the octopus is argued to be as intelligent as a dog.

More on the topic of animal killing/torture.. how many people step on insects when they see them? What about people that cut off lizard tails? (This mostly applies in the South). What about setting anthills on fire? At what point does this go from "no big deal" to "sadistic", and is that point rationally defensible or just what some people "feel like" ?

I guess I'm saying... do our animal "rights" or animal abuse laws make sense? When you're talking about locking up someone for what they did to an animal, I'm not sure that's necessarily valid. IMO, the rights of any human are more imporant than the rights of any/all animals, but in this case, society is prepared to remove this guys rights and freedoms because of what he did to some of his own animals, on his own property.

Like I said - this guy is fucked in the head. But I'm not convinced I'd put him in jail for it. No people were hurt, and nobody else's property was damaged...

[HandoEX]

thrash;177728 wrote:
I hesitate to bring this up, but I am going to anyway just to see if there's any intelligent discussion possible.

Firstly, i think this guy's behavior is reprehensible, and can't fathom how someone could do what he's done.

Now, all of that said...

Why are animals more protected than other types of property? If he's the legal owner of the dogs, why can't he do whatever he wants to to them?

My impression is that people's views on animals are emotional and societally grounded, and not in any real rational framework.

Evidence of this is obvious when you look at what people eat. In other cultures eating dogs and horse is common. In some places eating chimpanzee or other ape species is common. Those creaturs can be taught sign language and communicate meaningfully with humans, and some gorillas have even kept pets of their own. Why do we love eating fish, deer, etc, but dont think it's ok to eat dolphins, horse, apes?

Adventerous Americans, and almost all pacific rim countries, eat octopus as a dietary staple... yet the octopus is argued to be as intelligent as a dog.

More on the topic of animal killing/torture.. how many people step on insects when they see them? What about people that cut off lizard tails? (This mostly applies in the South). What about setting anthills on fire? At what point does this go from "no big deal" to "sadistic", and is that point rationally defensible or just what some people "feel like" ?

I guess I'm saying... do our animal "rights" or animal abuse laws make sense? When you're talking about locking up someone for what they did to an animal, I'm not sure that's necessarily valid. IMO, the rights of any human are more imporant than the rights of any/all animals, but in this case, society is prepared to remove this guys rights and freedoms because of what he did to some of his own animals, on his own property.

Like I said - this guy is fucked in the head. But I'm not convinced I'd put him in jail for it. No people were hurt, and nobody else's property was damaged...

Holy shit balls you make some really good points! I had never really considered the fact that if you get caught hurting a dog, you may go to jail but if you get caught killing a different animal, you may get off free.

[Guest]

I'd have had no problems with him eating his dogs, if they were killed humanely (quick w/o torture/combat first).

Basically, I have no problem with killing for food or varmint/insect/etc.. control, but for sport I find it to be cruel. Maybe I'm a hypocrite, but so be it.

[Irish]

You do make some good points but in the "Land of the Free" we have come up with a set of laws to govern against such acts. I just dont see how pitting dogs against eachother for sport till one dies is somthing that needs to happen in 2007. Its not the same as some guy eatting a dog thats just weird, dog fights are barbaric. I find them to be 2 different arenas of debate.

[thurmanmerman]

There is a big difference between domesticated animals and wild animals. How man wild poodles or labs do you see. So then wtf are hunting licenses for? I guess they were for permission to harvest that kind of animal. He killed dogs because they wouldn't make him money but yet more than likely they were still healthy dogs. Thats just wrong.

[Guest]

thurmanmerman;177735 wrote:
There is a big difference between domesticated animals and wild animals. How man wild poodles or labs do you see. So then wtf are hunting licenses for? I guess they were for permission to harvest that kind of animal. He killed dogs because they wouldn't make him money but yet more than likely they were still healthy dogs. Thats just wrong.

But you don't need a license to shoot a cow which is semi-domesticated as well. I see thrashes points, but I still stand by my thought that if it is for food/animal control purposes it is acceptable.

[weshole]

Not to mention that the dogs are supposed to be pets. The animals in question relied on the owners to support, feed them and house them. They are not wild animals and the fucking piece of shit should hang for it. If you don't see the legal and moral problems with that then, you should definately re-evaluate your look on life. Anyone with such little compassion for life.... Dog, human, or otherwise obviously needs to have his or her head examined.

[Irish]

weshole;177742 wrote:
Not to mention that the dogs are supposed to be pets. The animals in question relied on the owners to support, feed them and house them. They are not wild animals and the fucking piece of shit should hang for it. If you don't see the legal and moral problems with that then, you should definately re-evaluate your look on life. Anyone with such little compassion for life.... Dog, human, or otherwise obviously needs to have his or her head examined.

+1 well said

[STiSchucky]

thrash;177728 wrote:
I hesitate to bring this up, but I am going to anyway just to see if there's any intelligent discussion possible.

Firstly, i think this guy's behavior is reprehensible, and can't fathom how someone could do what he's done.

Now, all of that said...

Why are animals more protected than other types of property? If he's the legal owner of the dogs, why can't he do whatever he wants to to them?

My impression is that people's views on animals are emotional and societally grounded, and not in any real rational framework.

Evidence of this is obvious when you look at what people eat. In other cultures eating dogs and horse is common. In some places eating chimpanzee or other ape species is common. Those creaturs can be taught sign language and communicate meaningfully with humans, and some gorillas have even kept pets of their own. Why do we love eating fish, deer, etc, but dont think it's ok to eat dolphins, horse, apes?

Adventerous Americans, and almost all pacific rim countries, eat octopus as a dietary staple... yet the octopus is argued to be as intelligent as a dog.

More on the topic of animal killing/torture.. how many people step on insects when they see them? What about people that cut off lizard tails? (This mostly applies in the South). What about setting anthills on fire? At what point does this go from "no big deal" to "sadistic", and is that point rationally defensible or just what some people "feel like" ?

I guess I'm saying... do our animal "rights" or animal abuse laws make sense? When you're talking about locking up someone for what they did to an animal, I'm not sure that's necessarily valid. IMO, the rights of any human are more imporant than the rights of any/all animals, but in this case, society is prepared to remove this guys rights and freedoms because of what he did to some of his own animals, on his own property.

Like I said - this guy is fucked in the head. But I'm not convinced I'd put him in jail for it. No people were hurt, and nobody else's property was damaged...
Some good points, but the fact that tens of thousands of dollars, per fight are being bet on these fights is what really seperates what I believe animal cruelty+illegal gambling. Dude come on, I know you said that he's fucked in the head, well so are rapists, murderers and thieves. Why should this guy get off while the others don't then? Now that the facts are out on whats taken place, those dogs didnt deserve what they had coming to them, and definately didn't deserve the harsh cruelty they went through.

I'm not saying this effects my everday life and I dont even mourn over the dogs, but my opinion on it is that its just a tasteless, gross sick crime that has to be taken seriously. That and the fact that he's a thug anyways for chucking water bottles, flicking off his own fans at a game and spreading STD's under a false name...this guys got to be taught a lesson before he really really screws up. I think 6 years as said is just fine. I wont miss him one bit

[thurmanmerman]

tjamz;177740 wrote:
But you don't need a license to shoot a cow which is semi-domesticated as well. I see thrashes points, but I still stand by my thought that if it is for food/animal control purposes it is acceptable.

Killing a cow can be justified. It provides PLENTY of food for a family plus the leather can be used. Not to mention the milk that they produce can be used.