Dyno Results!!
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Stack your resume against mine Nick, I guarentee I have more documented completed work that's worth mentioning then yourself. I also GUARENTEE with my education completed I have more of a worthwhile asset to any organization period. I'm not doubting that you've implemented networks period. I have setup BEOS, Linux/Apache/ various other kernels since I was 13 years old with Fargocity.com, Red River Net, and PCHertz. I know you have experience with Novell, but thats not gonna get you ANYWHERE. Where is Novell now? Oh yah thats what I thought, gone. Is Microsoft the end all be all solution to networking/backoffice absolutely not. How many Oracle/SAP & Citrix servers have you set up? Can you document them? I would like to see your resume quite frankly. Anyone can start their own business, but If I'm a client I wouldn't TRUST ANYONE without any kind of formal education. Any kid can read their own self help book, tinker around, and start their own business. They are a dime a friggin dozen. Go to a god damn LAN party. If I had a dime for every kid with "their own business" I'd be rich. Like I said, it's that little piece of paper that seperates most people. I plan on being one with that
Speaking of which Nick, do you have ANY certifications? I mean if you don't want to go to school fine. But it'd be in your best interest to recieve some certifications, they are worth the time and money if your at all dedicated to this field. CCNA? MCSE/MCSA? A+ even?
If your looking for books on MCSE/MCSA (including step by step 7 test guide for MCSA) I have them for sale. A+ as well, no documents on CCNA as I am registered for a 6 month crash course at the NTC while I attend NDSU this fall.
Experience helps, but anything to build a resume I'm definately down for, you should think that too. -
Companies who have relied off programs written 30 years ago and pay high maint. fees on upkeeping these solutions with high HR costs (IT staffing) can eliminate numerous positions and reduce overhead by introducing new solutions that are more efficient.
I have to step in and call BS to this claim. We currently are running software written in the early 80's and it costs us very little in terms of yearly support fees and the amount of time I spend a year tending to it. Because support is ending on the product soon we're looking for software that can replace it and in all cases, support fees are at least double what we're paying now not to mention the additional cost in server hardware. Yearly support fees for one software solution we found would have cost us more than double, DOUBLE, my yearly salary. But whatever software is chosen, support fees will be higher, cost of supporting hardware and licensing fees will be higher and I'll still need to be here to support it.
I do agree to an extent that system and network administrators will themselves become "legacy" but not completely. Software runs somewhere and it used by someone, there will always be a need for someone to support end-users, patch servers , replace NICs or what have you. To say software will replace a system/network administrator is wishful thinking.
Lastly, .NET is today what the Pentium was in '93, it too will become irrelevant when something else comes along.
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this thread sucks, goto fargocomputers.com and continue
haha
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I gotta agree w/ nick here. For getting your FIRST job, having a degree is great, for getting a different job NOTHING beats experience. If he has been doing networking, administration, etc... for a number of years he will get hired before the guy who has just come out of college w/ minimal experience (I have no idea about your level of experience Adam, I'm speaking generally here.) I guess you could say I don't have an official degree, I am MECP/EIA certified and I completed every course that Mobile Dynamics offered and I still managed to get a fairly high paying job w/ a very large corporation BASED SOLELY ON MY WORK EXPERIENCE. I never went to school to learn how to pull wiring through ceiling tiles and terminate it into a 120 VAC fire alarm control panel. I didn't learn squat about integrating fire, security and suppresion systems in school. I was never informed of the many NFPA codes that I would have to use in my daily work just to ensure that the fire alarm system meets building codes. I learned all those things on my own, through various work experiences. My opinion is this: With the exception of Doctors and Lawyers the only level of education needed to get a job is a 2 year degree. Otherwise you are probably learning outdated information that will have no real world value once you have completed school. That is why I dropped my computer science major. I was doing more advanced programming when I was in high school for myself than the college courses were offering at the time. I obviously can't say that it is the same now for sure, and some schools do offer more advanced/specialized training than others, but to generalize and say that schooling is the ONLY way to get a good job is complete and total BS. Sure, you might do 4 years of semi-shitty work until you build a rep for yourself, however during those 4 years you are getting paid to learn, rather than paying someone else to teach you AND you will have a ton of OTJ training. Honestly, I never even get asked about my education when I apply for jobs anymore, just about my life experiences.
As for the comment about Microsoft being around forever, that may or may not be true. They may be around for a long time to come, but I think their days of PC dominance are coming to an end as our generation is starting to look to Linux and other OS's as a more stable, reliable, affordable alternative to Windows. I'm pretty sure I bought my last copy of windows w/ XP Pro, my gaming systems are all linux and easily outperform the Windows machine that I am typing on now. Oh, and the fact that nearly zero viruses ever infect Linux machines running Mozilla, I can see many corporations going that route for that reason alone.
/end rant
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that was beautiful
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2k3WRXND wrote:
Stack your resume against mine Nick, I guarentee I have more documented completed work that's worth mentioning then yourself. I also GUARENTEE with my education completed I have more of a worthwhile asset to any organization period. I'm not doubting that you've implemented networks period. I have setup BEOS, Linux/Apache/ various other kernels since I was 13 years old with Fargocity.com, Red River Net, and PCHertz. I know you have experience with Novell, but thats not gonna get you ANYWHERE. Where is Novell now? Oh yah thats what I thought, gone. Is Microsoft the end all be all solution to networking/backoffice absolutely not. How many Oracle/SAP & Citrix servers have you set up? Can you document them? I would like to see your resume quite frankly. Anyone can start their own business, but If I'm a client I wouldn't TRUST ANYONE without any kind of formal education. Any kid can read their own self help book, tinker around, and start their own business. They are a dime a friggin dozen. Go to a god damn LAN party. If I had a dime for every kid with "their own business" I'd be rich. Like I said, it's that little piece of paper that seperates most people. I plan on being one with thatSpeaking of which Nick, do you have ANY certifications? I mean if you don't want to go to school fine. But it'd be in your best interest to recieve some certifications, they are worth the time and money if your at all dedicated to this field. CCNA? MCSE/MCSA? A+ even?
If your looking for books on MCSE/MCSA (including step by step 7 test guide for MCSA) I have them for sale. A+ as well, no documents on CCNA as I am registered for a 6 month crash course at the NTC while I attend NDSU this fall.
Experience helps, but anything to build a resume I'm definately down for, you should think that too.That's funny listing what you've done, I'm not here to get in a pissing match in that, from what Brett posted already I'm not going to believe you.
Now as far as what I know, it's plenty. I have zero certifications, I don't work with Microsoft products, as everything I do is UNIX based, or I convert from windows to UNIX based solutions. As far as large scale projects go, I've worked on enough and worked with enough large companies that me being a "kid" in a business envrionment is non existent. I have no need for a CCNA, I have dealt with larger enterprise equipment in full production environments than that test can even begin to cover.
And the novell claim where did you pull that out of your ass? I have done nothing, will do nothing, and have never wanted to do anything with Novell.
Who was the network engineer when you were with rrnet? I worked there for two years and met just about everyone that had worked there at one time.
Now you go ahead and enjoy your college education, and your telemarketing job, and when you do get a high paying pimp computer job maybe someday you can get a frontmount for real too.
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Ok, to make Fitzy happy, I WILL be getting my dyno time this weekend...all day saturday.
there, thread back on topic again
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Experience only works for some jobs. Im an apprentice plumber at grants michanical and in the time ive been there I have found out that in the business of Apprentices, Journey men, and Masters you dont get anywhere with Experience. We have a 37 year old dude there that has been plumbing for 20years and he is a first year apprentice... why? Well because he never went to school or took any apprenticeship clases. You cannot advance in a majority of fields without schooling. I can go from a $10 an hour laborer to an $18 an hour 4th yr apprentice to a $25 an hour journey men to a $50+ an hour master ( and those are based on what grants pays masters can start their own business. ) But im not going to be able to do that with 25 years of experience... I have to take classes, read the code books, run jobs, study my ass off , and take tests before any state will consider me as a journeymen or master.
Point being... Some jobs may accept Experience, but a majority dont. Unless of course you would like to flip burgers the rest of your life... Im sure doing that for 20years would land you a job at any Mc Donalds in the world... of course any high school drop out can work there anyway.
Peace!
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Actually experience and a degree is the best way to get a nice job. If you have a degree and no experience it is tough to find a job. Last time i remembered to be a master you needed a bunch of hours of experience to get there plus the schooling. Each field is different and depends. I am sure GSR will do fine without a degree because of his experience. Bottom line who really cares this thread still sucks.
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ok...back off topic we go again, but I'm game.
I agree that in order to advance you need to either brush up on your skills or get further education. Anyone who is not constantly educating themselves about their job is doing themselves a big disservice IMHO. Some jobs require additional training, some will require some certification. I am going back to school this fall to get my masters in Business Management, and my company is paying for all of it. There are advantages to getting some sort degree, no doubt. Especially if it is a specialized field or one that requires certification before you can advance yourself. But not everyone has to do this to make it in this world. The two richest men in the world dropped out of college for gods sake, theres exceptions to both sides and I'm not encouraging anyone to NOT get a degree.
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Actually your right I forgot to mention the fact that experience is also needed. To become a journeymen or master you have to accumulate so many hours. There are 5 different fields of plumbing and to become a journeyman you have to have about 1900hrs in each field. And master I beleive its 3000 but I dont remember.
Peace!
FlowcusAnd no shit I would like this thread better with some HP numbers... but I figured id get my $.02 in.
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I know I have AT LEAST 5WHP. Maybe more if I turn the boost up. lol
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DaveH wrote:
I can read the degree on my egt gauge, while schooling most any car in the FM area.Thats my addition to this hijacked thread.
Let us know how the dyno goes chuck.
Yeah, just keep rubbing it in dave, keep rubbing it in...hehe Someday I'll catch you...well, probably not really, but my powerball ticket could come in I suppose. -
We should make a new rule that there's no more computer geek pissing matches. I thought this was a CAR forum? You guys all have really good valid points, and arguements, but damn. And don't anyone take offense to the "computer geek" comment, it's just a figure of speech.
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Want this thread back on topic?
Here is my dyno sheet with my shitty little turbo.
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