Is GOD real?

[Parker]

all in all... prove it to me in an undeniable way...

you cant....

[2wheeler]

Parker;200059 wrote:
how do we not know the bible is some delusional ranting of some old man? is there anyway we can disprove that? is

Nail on the head Parker. This idea has been in my mind for a very long time. It is an awfully-close-to-perfect way of controlling the masses. Scare them into believing what you want them to believe. Hmmmmm.....sounds like government.

To me, it doesn't matter how many sources someone can quote saying that the bible is a perfect translation for the past 12 trillion years. Who's to say it isn't all the same organization just continuing the trend?

Look at how much money people throw at churches. Religion is a wonderful business.

[Parker]

2wheeler;200064 wrote:
Religion is a wonderful business.
QFT...

[fallguy]

2wheeler;200061 wrote:
I guess I was looking to see if you had any original ideas on the topic.

I wish I could give all of my answers by copy and pasting someone else's argument.

That's one thing I really like about my point of view on this subject. It's mine. I can change it whenever I feel. It seems like you guys have no "freedom of opinion". It seems as though your opinion has been taught to you.

Your hilarious. You think that just because of something learned that it isn't my own. Am I suppose to have a totally different belief in something to be called "my own"?

I was taught evolution in school....I choose to belief in creationism. That is MY belief.

When I hear your arguments I just hear someone who hasn't done enough research on either subject.

[2wheeler]

fallguy;200068 wrote:
Your hilarious. You think that just because of something learned that it isn't my own. Am I suppose to have a totally different belief in something to be called "my own"?

I was taught evolution in school....I choose to belief in creationism. That is MY belief.

When I hear your arguments I just hear someone who hasn't done enough research on either subject.
All I am saying is quit posting someone else's words. Type it from what is in your head. You guys live this stuff. Type what you know.

When I post, I am posting from what I know. I don't rush to find a website so I can copy and paste something. If I am not intelligent enough for you, that's not my problem.

[thrash]

Parker;200059 wrote:
how do we not know the bible is some delusional ranting of some old man?

Because we know different parts of it were written by different people, all of whom have been proven to exist?

Secular archaeologists consider the bible a good sourcebook on the time periods it covers. As historical documents go, it's extremely accurate and well corroborated.

If you're seriously interested in answering the questions you're raising, please get a copy of "The Case for Christ". You and I aren't the first people to discuss this. Not to be too snooty, but there hasn't been one interesting or worthwhile "objection" to Christianity in this thread that hasn't been hashed to death before. Many of them are discussed in a reasonably unbiased way in the Case for Christ book.. so if you're someone truly looking for answers, instead of someone building a wall of excuses... just read the book.

[thrash]

2wheeler;200064 wrote:
Nail on the head Parker. This idea has been in my mind for a very long time. It is an awfully-close-to-perfect way of controlling the masses. Scare them into believing what you want them to believe. Hmmmmm.....sounds like government.

They picked a bad religion for that then. The bible commands that you honor no earthly man or idol before God. Kings and emperors hate that.

Lots of leaders have tried to wrap themselves in the bible or co-opt christianity for their own purposes, but there is no governance per-se implied in Christianity. The Christian church started in Israel while under a Roman occupatino government. It was actually illegal. People met in each others houses in secret. All of the text in the bible pre-dates any state official of any government being publicly Christian or supporting Christianity.

The faith took hold in secret, amongst the poorest and those without power, and did so inspite of the government, not with its blessing.

It is true that various people have tried to co-opt Christianity for their own ends from time to time, but the writings have been the same and said the same thing from the beginning.

To me, it doesn't matter how many sources someone can quote saying that the bible is a perfect translation for the past 12 trillion years. Who's to say it isn't all the same organization just continuing the trend?

If no amount of evidence will convince you of something, why discuss it? I don't see how what you're espousing isn't any more of a pure-faith based position than the wackiest religion. You beleive the bible to be untrue or co-opted, no matter how much evidence there is to support its authenticity? That's junk science, that's bad law, and it's intellectually lazy.

Look at how much money people throw at churches. Religion is a wonderful business.

Greedy people aren't stupid and will find money whereever it is made.

Here's what Jesus says... "whereever 2 or 3 of my followers are gathered, there I will be". There is no requirement to be part of an organized church, there is no hard and fast rule on what you are to give. The inventions and sacraments of man are one thing... what Jesus actually says are something else.

Some people spend money in ways which may not be how you'd spend them. With Christianity in the US, church attendance, church giving, and church membership are all optional. The church of Mormon asks for your tax return. Leaving the Muslim church is apostasy and in most of the middle east rewards one with the death penalty.

I've offered to lend a great book on all these topics in several posts. Nobody has taken me up on it. People keep repeating the same "arguments" like they're insightful. They aren't.

If the aim is to learn, please borrow this book. If the aim is to be hateful or inflammatory, I've only got so much patience for that sort of thing.

[fallguy]

2wheeler;200069 wrote:
All I am saying is quit posting someone else's words. Type it from what is in your head. You guys live this stuff. Type what you know.

When I post, I am posting from what I know. I don't rush to find a website so I can copy and paste something. If I am not intelligent enough for you, that's not my problem.

The reason I post from another site is that the people on that site have studied and researched this far more than I. I read their work and come to my own conclusions. I choose to believe all some or none of the information presented. I figured if I gave you some good resources on the questions you asked you would maybe take the time and read and learn about it on your own. thrash has also given another good resource for this topic. I am not questioning your intelligence just that you need to read other things other than motorcycle magazines.

Merry Christmas!!!

[Parker]

ill borrow that book....

[DaveH]

2wheeler;200061 wrote:
That's one thing I really like about my point of view on this subject. It's mine. I can change it whenever I feel.

Thats the joy of having nothing to back up your point of view. You can change your mind and it doesn't matter.

I think this thread has gone past any usefulness that it may have had. Merry Christmas everyone!

[Parker]

there are plenty of things to back up evolution... as there are many things to back up that there might be a god.... we just will never know until we die i guess

[Parker]

oh and merry christmas

[weshole]

Couldn't reisist. Had to post this for Ethan.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X8evsSNdXcs

[Bunique]

Jesus walks.

[ichibankilla]

On subjects like the one involved in this thread I love the whole, "I have to be right because you can't prove me wrong." attitude. Basically, there's no definative proof of gods existence, but, there's also no proof he didn't exist. So, depending on your point of view, it can be a win win situation for both sides of the debate. I personally am always going to support the use of the word "God" in the national anthem, prayer and pledge of allegance in school if you choose to, the ten commandments in front of the court house and so on, it's just how I was raised. I'm also not going to stop eating beef because it may be some one's reborn cousin, sister,mother,brother or father, nor am I going to eat beef just to piss off some one else because it's there belief, I'm going to eat it because I fuckin' like beef. Just like we shouldn't have to cater to "certain" people because of there beliefs even though our goverment has bent over backwards for them. If it's not yours or our belief they shouldn't concern one another. You do your thing and I'll do mine. And as far as those who preach about there religion being the only true religion, isn't pride one of the seven deadly sins? I guess that depends on who you pray to doesn't it? Just had to rant a bit, but when religion is brought up you almost can't help say something about recent events over the past few years pertaining to it.
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