Truck discussion
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tjamz;208344 wrote:
Why are they not meant to be used as trucks? They (with the I-Force 5.7 liter) have the highest towing capacity in their class (10,300 lbs), most power (381 HP), most torque (401 ft/lbs), etc... Aside from going diesel or 3/4 ton I didn't see anything remotely close to them. Now, if you are talking about the pre-2007 models, then you have a legit argument. They were basically over-sized mid-sized trucks.Chevy has 315/338 HP/TQ and towing capacity of 8500 (w/o going to the 6.0 liter...in which case it goes to 10,500).
Ford is 300/365 hp/tq w/ 8200 towing capacity.
Dodge has a towing capacity of 8500 lbs and 302/329 hp/torque.
Nissan is 317/385 hp/tq and tows 9500 lbs
Honda is 247/245 hp/tq and 5000 lbs towing capacity. (BUT IT HAS VTEC YO!!)
NISSANS FTMFW!!!!!! AAAAAAHAHAHAHA! HA!!!!:icon_cheers:
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capitlj;208470 wrote:
Sorry chuck gotta call you out on the towing thing too, the 5.4 F150 can pull 11,000 pounds. That Toyota is garbage IMO, lump it in with the Ridgeline and Mitsubishi Raider as far as usefulness goes. I saw one pulling a 5th wheel camper once the front end was nearly off the gound, that camper was a smaller one and couldn't have weighed more then 8,500 pounds. I got a couple of confused looks from the old couple in the truck as I laughed out loud at that one.I got the numbers right from Fords website...but you are right, I missed the ONE model they have that will pull 11,000, all the others are lower.
The older (06 and older) Tundra's I'll agree with you on, but the 07+ will tow with the best of them. Car & Driver seems to think it outperformed everything in it's class when they awarded it truck of the year. But what do they know?
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Parker;208458 wrote:
close, but no cigar...:stirpot:Ok..I missed the Ford (as I pointed out above), but when I look at Dodge 1500 Quad Cabs (comparing apples/apples here) the engine is limited to the 4.7 liter if you want 4x4...maybe that was a 2008 model year change...dunno.
http://www-5.dodge.com/vehsuite/TowingGuide.jsp
it's hard to read the pic I posted, so here is the direct link to it as well.
http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a333/tjamz/Dodge4x4QuadCaboptions08.jpg
Edit: blah...photobucket sucks...damn resize makes it impossible to read...rehosting pic in a bit
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capitlj;208470 wrote:
Sorry chuck gotta call you out on the towing thing too, the 5.4 F150 can pull 11,000 pounds.ONLY in single cab form, which is NOT what I needed http://www.fordvehicles.com/trucks/f150/features/specs/
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tjamz;208495 wrote:
I got the numbers right from Fords website...but you are right, I missed the ONE model they have that will pull 11,000, all the others are lower.The older (06 and older) Tundra's I'll agree with you on, but the 07+ will tow with the best of them. Car & Driver seems to think it outperformed everything in it's class when they awarded it truck of the year. But what do they know?
That is car and driver Chuck. They are dumb fuckers when it comes to reviewing trucks. If it is American they don't like it.
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weshole;208498 wrote:
Towing capacity aside. I would own the Toyota way before the Dodge,Ford, or the Gm. I guarantee that you wont see near the problems with the Toyota vs. the big 3. I never see a Toyota of any type in the shop for repairs but the rest...????Camshaft failures, bed bounce, cracked tailgates, etc...
http://www.allworldauto.com/blogs/2007/11/09/toyota-tundra-woes-shame-automaker/
Toyota says to take the tailgate off if you are loading snowmobiles or anything heavy in the bed. Weaksauce.
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MisterCMK;208520 wrote:
Camshaft failures, bed bounce, cracked tailgates, etc...http://www.allworldauto.com/blogs/2007/11/09/toyota-tundra-woes-shame-automaker/
Toyota says to take the tailgate off if you are loading snowmobiles or anything heavy in the bed. Weaksauce.
I believe most of this was worked out in the MY08 production, I could be wrong though.
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Camshafts for sure have been taken care of (early production error), bed bounce seems to be happening to people on concrete, but I've yet to have it happen, haven't found anything on the cracked tail lights though....I don't/won't own a snowmobile and if I buy a bike, I will drive it and not the truck...so those are not important issues to me.
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MisterCMK;208519 wrote:
That is car and driver Chuck. They are dumb fuckers when it comes to reviewing trucks. If it is American they don't like it.For good reason, they are crap (generally speaking). If I was buying a 1/2 ton truck I'd def get the tundra first, Titan second and then any of the other three after that. I'd probably pick the Ford highest of the domestic group just because it seems to have the most rear seat room (which I need with the kids). Maybe my view is tainted because the only domestic truck I own has been terrible for maintenance.
Toyota's only downfall IMO is allowing the truck to be designed and built over here. They should have kept it at home where the workers give a shit about build quality.
Stir pot... stir.
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DaveH
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tjamz;208500 wrote:
but when I look at Dodge 1500 Quad Cabs (comparing apples/apples here) the engine is limited to the 4.7 liter if you want 4x4...maybe that was a 2008 model year change...dunno.
are you saying that if you want a 4x4 dodge you have to get the 4.7? because there must be something odd about my dads 08 5.7 4x4... must be special :).. i must let him know asap:stirpot::stirpot::stirpot::stirpot::stirpot:
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weshole;208498 wrote:
Towing capacity aside. I would own the Toyota way before the Dodge,Ford, or the Gm. I guarantee that you wont see near the problems with the Toyota vs. the big 3. I never see a Toyota of any type in the shop for repairs but the rest...????
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Parker;208542 wrote:
are you saying that if you want a 4x4 dodge you have to get the 4.7? because there must be something odd about my dads 08 5.7 4x4... must be special :).. i must let him know asap:stirpot::stirpot::stirpot::stirpot::stirpot:
When I try and build them online, that appears to be the case....the only exception is the Laramie package (just dbl checked) but then I'm looking at about $10k more than what I paid...<u>and then ACCORDING TO DODGES WEBSITE, they still only pull 8,400 lbs</u>
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tjamz;208547 wrote:
When I try and build them online, that appears to be the case....the only exception is the Laramie package (just dbl checked) but then I'm looking at about $10k more than what I paid...<u>and then ACCORDING TO DODGES WEBSITE, they still only pull 8,400 lbs</u>:stirpot: :stirpot: :stirpot: :stirpot: :stirpot: :stirpot: :stirpot: :stirpot: :stirpot: :stirpot: :stirpot: :stirpot: :stirpot: :stirpot: :stirpot: :stirpot: :stirpot: :stirpot:
Are you ever even going to pull w/ it let alone 10K worth, if not who cares......
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