LOL, Toyota fails at making pickups, AGAIN!

[Guest]

ah...but GM would wait until they got sued and then still refuse to buy the trucks back. Toyota admits to the potential of the problem, offers an economic solution to alleviate the problem and an extended warranty to protect against it should it happen in the future....name one big-3 that has done anything like that on their warranty recalls.

FWIW, Toyota bought back my Tundra at full retail price because there was a "chance" that my bed may experience the "bed bounce" issue...again, I'm fairly certain Ford doesn't buy back the 5.4 liters that had the spark plug issue nor has Chevy with any of the front suspension issues. The reason it's not making news is because Toyota is standing behind their product, even with it's flaws. Everyone makes mistakes, Toyota is just owning up to theirs.

[Parker]

zbrown;217762 wrote:
so what is causing this??

poor materials or a bad design trapping salt/shit next to the frame??
it was caused by a defective coating on the frame...

[treimche]

Toyota >>>>>>>>>> any and every "big 3" vehicle out there. Anyone who works on vehicles at all will know whats built better. Of course the new Tundras are going to have issues, its a brand new design, and it happens to every manufacturer when they come out with something totally new and different. It happened to Nissan with the Titan also. Give them some time to figure everything out and there will be absolutely no reason to buy a "big 3" truck.

[capitlj]

Its not in the news becuase the current media feels that Toyota can do no wrong. I have to give them props for the way they are handleing it tho. Toyota is the only automaker that can afford that kind of thing right now.

[capitlj]

treimche;217789 wrote:
Give them some time to figure everything out and there will be absolutely no reason to buy a "big 3" truck.

Save for towing capacity, space, looks, cheap/available parts.

[treimche]

Towing capacity obviously isn't going to match that of a 3/4 ton, or 1 ton, or a dually, or a turbo diesel. They will have their own diesel in the not too distant future though. Just like everything its all about opinions. The Tundras look sick too.

[Grr]

yeah they look sick, IMHO they are one ugly m'fucker. I think the Honda ridgeline is a better looking truck even. now the tacoma i could drive, those are pretty sweet, except for the obvious problem^

[Guest]

http://www.showstop.org/images/truck/rust_warranty/dealer-communication.pdf

the actual info that the dealers received ^^^^

[FG2]

tjamz;217796 wrote:
http://www.showstop.org/images/truck/rust_warranty/dealer-communication.pdf

the actual info that the dealers received ^^^^

Looks like a good company to purchase from. The way a company handles it's mistakes is what everyone should use to judge the company. As stated before, every manufacturer has its issues. Shane bought his 07' Tahoe and had NOTHING but problems. He got so fed up with the windows not working, the seat not moving, the radio draining the battery, then the next radio cutting in out, transmission with a huge CLUNK, etc... that he traded it off. He left a list nearly 2 pages long in the owners manual of known issues. He brought it back and forth from the dealership so many times that he just started to accept that $40k+ doesn't buy a good truck. His new Armada is 10x the truck and is flawless...

Just like what Troy stated, anyone who has taken apart a import truck vs. domestic truck knows which one is built better. There are examples of crap from every company, but how the company decides to handle it is what makes/breaks the deals. You can replace crap with the same crap and end up with the same crappy issues (read Tahoe). Toyota made a few mistakes, but damn, offering a 15 year warranty on a product that MIGHT fail is amazing, and offering full buy back on another truck is also unprecedented. I'm more apt to buy a Toyota now BECAUSE of these issues, than before.

Props to Toyota!

[kylush]

Grr;217748 wrote:
have you heard about this before now? You would think something as serious as frames rusting in half would get the medias attention wouldnt you? I certainly havent seen it

BTW, this is what the result of these problems, i think it would be serious enough to make headlines.

Why would it be broken like that... caved up, not down in the middle...

[MisterCMK]

el oh el

I'd like to see an import "truck" hold up to some actual work.

[legacy-user-532]

capitlj;217791 wrote:
Save for towing capacity, space, looks, cheap/available parts.

heh, just what I was thinking.

[Guest]

capitlj;217791 wrote:
Save for towing capacity, space, looks, cheap/available parts.

Apples to apples....

-towing capacity is near top of it's class
-space is as good or better than it's rivals...my tundra ext cab had more rear legroom than the 08 Sierra Crew Cab (full four door) in my driveway now
-looks is a matter of opinion. I prefer the Tundra over almost everything EXCEPT the Titan
-I'll take the parts that don't break thank you (and if they do due to poor design are covered under an extended warranty)...you can keep the cheap parts that go out regularly but are available at every autoparts store...why? Because they break more often is my guess. I mean, if there were more demand for Toyota replacement parts, there would be more Toyota replacement parts available over the counter...right? If there is no demand, we keep a supply on hand?

[Parker]

every vehicle has its faults... some more than others.... until we have owned every vehicle in question... none of us have an argument....

[Guest]

I agree w/ farm boy ^^^ Every vehicle is a compromise of some sort.

[XJHEAD]

I have been running F-350 diesels since 94, swap them out about every 3 years. When Toyota comes out with an equal, I will have no problem giving it then a try. That is if their payload/towing capacities and hp/tq are somewhat close.

[Afsil80]

tjamz;217785 wrote:
ah...but GM would wait until they got sued and then still refuse to buy the trucks back. Toyota admits to the potential of the problem, offers an economic solution to alleviate the problem and an extended warranty to protect against it should it happen in the future....name one big-3 that has done anything like that on their warranty recalls.

FWIW, Toyota bought back my Tundra at full retail price because there was a "chance" that my bed may experience the "bed bounce" issue...again, I'm fairly certain Ford doesn't buy back the 5.4 liters that had the spark plug issue nor has Chevy with any of the front suspension issues. The reason it's not making news is because Toyota is standing behind their product, even with it's flaws. Everyone makes mistakes, Toyota is just owning up to theirs.

This man hit the nail on the head.

When the new Tundras were snapping camshafts, Toyota initiated their own recall. When was the last time Uncle Sam didn't force one of the big three to do that when their product shit itself?

[GarageAlchemist]

There were thousands of snapped cams in the Second Gen Ford SHO's, and ford never recalled them. That was a bogus deal there.

[capitlj]

tjamz;218005 wrote:
-I'll take the parts that don't break thank you (and if they do due to poor design are covered under an extended warranty)...you can keep the cheap parts that go out regularly but are available at every autoparts store...why? Because they break more often is my guess. I mean, if there were more demand for Toyota replacement parts, there would be more Toyota replacement parts available over the counter...right? If there is no demand, we keep a supply on hand?

Everything breaks, I stock more parts for chevy trucks because there are far and away more of them around than anything else. Also the chevy trucks get used as trucks because they are tough enough. IMO people don't buy Nissan or Toyota pickups to actually be used as trucks. How many do you see pulling trailers or actually loaded down on its way to a job site? The domestic trucks break more often because they are used as trucks, read HARD. People buy the import trucks because they have been told by the media that domestics are inferior, which is just not the case if it were the F150 would not still be the best selling truck in the world.

[capitlj]

GarageAlchemist;218126 wrote:
There were thousands of snapped cams in the Second Gen Ford SHO's, and ford never recalled them. That was a bogus deal there.

No-one is argueing against the fact that Toyota is handling it extremely well. Like I said Toyota is practically printing money right now, and would really be kicking ass if their NASCAR team could do anything, so they can afford to save face that way. Detroit cannot and it makes me sad. I don't like GM that much, pretty much everything, save for the Vette, has been blah since 1972. But I would hate to see them go down, or Chrysler, and especially Ford. When your product has a problem, because you cut costs, because a foreign product has undercut you and your workers are <u>grossly</u> overcompensated, and your not making any money, and you are millions in debt, are you going to give out money unless someone puts a gun to your head?