*2008 Presidential Thread* McCain vs Obama *Poll*

[Guest]

DaveH;221363 wrote:
No, the topic Chuck asked about was Obama going to talk to Iran, so Ahmadinejad and his lacky's are who we are talking about.

Oh, I see. Ahmadinejad is a mouthpiece. By my understanding, he actually doesn't hold that much power in Iran. That's reserved for the Ayatollah, if I'm not mistaken.

[Parker]

reshalghoul;221384 wrote:
Lol at retard above. Nice quote, "If you dont think so then maybe you should join them. we dont need you in our country." Absolutely hilarious. Spoken like a true idiot. As if you decide who does and who doesn't get to live here. Seriously, stick a fork in an electrical outlet for everyone's sake.

What the hell does the year 2002 signify? Do you think we suddenly had our military in the Middle East at the beginning of the Iraq War in '03? You're even stupider than I thought...
HAHAHA... im almost positive he was there... and as for you... go crash your bike into a semi..

[Parker]

a very nice email i got from my sister

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Subject: In Just One Year

This email comes in three parts.
Part 1:
In just one year.  Remember the election in 2006?
Thought you might like to read the following. A little over one year 

ago:

1) Consumer confidence stood at a 2 1/2 year high.
2) Regular gasoline sold for $2.19 a gallon;
3) The unemployment rate was 4.5%.

Since voting in a Democratic Congress in 2006 we have seen:

1) Consumer confidence plummet;
2) The cost of regular gasoline soar to over $3.50 a gallon.
3) Unemployment is up to 5% (a 10% increase).
4) American households have seen $2.3 trillion in equity value evaporate 

(stock and mutual fund losses);
5) Americans have seen their home equity drop by $1.2 trillion dollars.
6) 1% of American homes are in foreclosure.

America voted for change in 2006, and we got it!

Remember its Congress that makes laws and appropriates money not the 

President. He has to work with what's handed to him.

Quote of the Day........"My friends, we live in the greatest nation in 

the history of the world. I hope you'll join with me as we try to change
it." -- Barack Obama

Part 2:
Taxes...Whether Democrat or a Republican you will find these statistics 

enlightening and amazing.
www.taxfoundation.org/publications/show/151.html
Taxes under Clinton 1999 Taxes under Bush 2008
Single making 30K - tax $8,400 Single making 30K - tax
$4,500
Single making 50K - tax $14,000 Single making 50K - tax
$12,500
Single making 75K - tax $23,250 Single making 75K - tax
$18,750
Married making 60K - tax $16,800 Married making 60K- tax $9,000
Married making 75K - tax $21,000 ; Married making 75K - tax
$18,750
Married making 125K - tax $38,750 Married making 125K - tax
$31,250
Both democratic candidates will return to the higher tax rates.

It is amazing how many people that fall into the categories above think 

Bush is screwing them and Bill Clinton was the greatest President ever. If
Obama or Hillary is elected, they both say they will repeal the Bush tax
cuts and a good portion of the people that fall into the categories above
can't wait for it to happen. This is like the movie The Sting with Paul
Newman; you scam somebody out of some money and they don't even know what
happened.

PART 3:
You think the war in Iraq is costing us too much?

Read this:
Boy am I confused.  I have been hammered with the propaganda that it is 

the Iraq war and the war on terror that is bankrupting us. I now find that
to be RIDICULOUS. I hope the following 14 reasons are forwarded over and
over again until they are read so many times that the reader gets sick of
reading them. I have included the URL's for verification of all the
following facts:
1. $11 Billion to $22 billion is spent on welfare to illegal aliens
each year by state governments.
Verify at: http://tinyurl.com/zob77
2. $2.2 Billion dollars a year is spent on food assistance programs
such as food stamps, WIC, and free school lunches for illegal aliens.
Verify at: http://www.cis..org/articles/2004/fiscalexec.html
3. $2.5 Billion dollars a year is spent on Medicaid for illegal
aliens.
Verify at: http://www.cis..org/articles/2004/fiscalexec.html
4. $12 Billion dollars a year is spent on primary and secondary
school education for children here illegally and they cannot speak a word of
English!
Verify at: http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0604/01/ldt.0.html
5. $17 Billion dollars a year is spent for education for the
American-born children of illegal aliens, known as anchor babies.
Verify at: http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0604/01/ldt.01.html
6. $3 Million Dollars a DAY is spent to incarcerate illegal aliens.
Verify at: http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0604/01/ldt.01.html
7. 30% percent of all Federal Prison inmates are illegal aliens.
Verify at: http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0604/01/ldt.01.html
8. $90 Billion Dollars a year is spent on illegal aliens for
Welfare & social services by the American taxpayers.
Verify at: http://premium.cnn.com/TRANSCIPTS/0610/29/ldt.01.html
9. $200 Billion Dollars a year in suppressed American wages are
caused by the illegal aliens.
Verify at: http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0604/01/ldt.01.html
10. The illegal aliens in the United States have a crime rate that's
two and a half times that of white non-illegal aliens. In particular, their
children are going to make a huge additional crime problem in the US.
Verify at: http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0606/12/ldt..01.html
11. During the year of 2005 there were 4 to 10 MILLION illegal aliens
that crossed our Southern Border also, as many as 19,500 illegal aliens from
Terrorist Countries. Millions of pounds of drugs, cocaine, meth, heroin and
marijuana, crossed into the U. S. from the Southern border.
Verify at: Homeland Security Report: http://tinyurl.com/t9sht
12. The National Policy Institute estimated that the total cost of
mass deportation would be between $206 and $230 billion or an average cost
of between $41 and $46 billion annually over a five year period.
Verify at: http://www.nationalpolicyinstitute.org/pdf/deportation.pdf
13. In 2006 illegal aliens sent home $45 BILLION in remittances back
to their countries of origin.
Verify at: http://www.rense.com/general75/niht.htm
14. The Dark Side of Illegal Immigration: Nearly One Million Sex
Crimes Committed by Illegal Immigrants in the United States.
Verify at: http://www.drdsk.com/articleshtml
The total cost is a whopping $ 338.3 BILLION DOLLARS A YEAR.

Are we THAT stupid?

[Rexwagon]

reshalghoul;221384 wrote:
Lol at retard above. Nice quote, "If you dont think so then maybe you should join them. we dont need you in our country." Absolutely hilarious. Spoken like a true idiot. As if you decide who does and who doesn't get to live here. Seriously, stick a fork in an electrical outlet for everyone's sake.

What the hell does the year 2002 signify? Do you think we suddenly had our military in the Middle East at the beginning of the Iraq War in '03? You're even stupider than I thought...

2002 is pretty much when the whole middle east as a whole went to shit. O and I was there, twice, so trust me I know what year the war started you fucken moron. And considering what I have done I should get to pick if ungrateful bastards like you get to live here or not. The middle east isnt just Iraq noob. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Middle_East

September 11th happened in 2001. shortly after that in 2002 the whole middle east as a whole really went to shit against. We all knew they were against us but at this time they really vocalized it. I dont know what rock you have been living under.

[Bookem]

Wow, what a douche. You make a statement......

reshalghoul;221384 wrote:
What the hell does the year 2002 signify?

Do you think we suddenly had our military in the Middle East at the beginning of the Iraq War in '03? You're even stupider than I thought...

But then you think someone else is stupid be cause you opinions do not match. And if you don't think I have enough reason to reply to this then you are less inteligent than I thought. April of 2002 I had my bags packed and was on a 1 hour recall to head over seas, planning didn't happen when turkey backed out of their deal, that's when the whole thing went sour, didn't make it their til march of 2003.

Also, make sure you aren't wearing a helmet when you crash into a semi please.

Back on topic, probably won't vote and won't bitch about it either.

[Guest]

Parker;221388 wrote:
HAHAHA... im almost positive he was there... and as for you... go crash your bike into a semi..

Whether he was there or not doesn't concern me. It's his choice to join a volunteer service. Again, Google the name Josh Rushing. He was a 14-year Marine lieutenant that gave up a pension and lifetime medical service, in addition to numerous other incentives and benefits, to work for Al Jazeera. Why? Military bullshit, particularly in regards to the Iraq War. Am I grateful that our men and women are at home and abroad defending and serving out country? Yes. Should Saddam have been taken out of power? Yes. Do all Arabs hate America/Americans? Hell no. This is the most ridiculous shit I've ever heard. I love how everyone seems to have their head buried in the sand. "We're fighting for Iraqi freedom! Nope, it's definitely not an occupation, and we sure as hell aren't guarding/taking the oil fields. No sir."

[Guest]

Bookem;221403 wrote:
Wow, what a douche. You make a statement......

But then you think someone else is stupid be cause you opinions do not match. And if you don't think I have enough reason to reply to this then you are less inteligent than I thought. April of 2002 I had my bags packed and was on a 1 hour recall to head over seas, planning didn't happen when turkey backed out of their deal, that's when the whole thing went sour, didn't make it their til march of 2003.

Also, make sure you aren't wearing a helmet when you crash into a semi please.

Back on topic, probably won't vote and won't bitch about it either.

No, he made a stupid statement, by saying I shouldn't live here because I don't think all Arabs should be dead. It was an asinine statement.

Edit: I always make sure to wear a helmet (brain's too valuable) and I don't drive like an asshat. What's the name of the trucking company you manage (no reason)?

[Guest]

Rexwagon;221393 wrote:
And considering what I have done I should get to pick if ungrateful bastards like you get to live here or not. The middle east isnt just Iraq noob.

You're quoting statements I never said and speaking like you're the de facto person on citizenship. Good God man, grow some gray matter for a change!

[Guest]

StangerBanger96;221187 wrote:
Though it won't actually happen, I do believe it would be pretty neat to see Ron Paul elected based off write in votes.

+1

Sadly, I agree with the former.

[Rexwagon]

reshalghoul;221404 wrote:
Whether he was there or not doesn't concern me. It's his choice to join a volunteer service. Again, Google the name Josh Rushing. He was a 14-year Marine lieutenant that gave up a pension and lifetime medical service, in addition to numerous other incentives and benefits, to work for Al Jazeera. Why? Military bullshit, particularly in regards to the Iraq War. Am I grateful that our men and women are at home and abroad defending and serving out country? Yes. Should Saddam have been taken out of power? Yes. Do all Arabs hate America/Americans? Hell no. This is the most ridiculous shit I've ever heard. I love how everyone seems to have their head buried in the sand. "We're fighting for Iraqi freedom! Nope, it's definitely not an occupation, and we sure as hell aren't guarding/taking the oil fields. No sir."

Yes its a volunteer service. And no I dont have a problem going there. Fuck I even volunteered to go the second time. Maybe you should man up and do something with your life like that. We do have a dont ask dont tell policy so you can join too. LOL.

As far as I am concerned you are no different than one of them. But whatever.

Are you muslim? Is this why you are sticking up for them?

O yeah what are these other numerous benifits because i am not getting them, and in order to get a lifetime pension he would have to put 20yrs of service in.

[Parker]

reshalghoul;221404 wrote:
Whether he was there or not doesn't concern me. It's his choice to join a volunteer service. Again, Google the name Josh Rushing. He was a 14-year Marine lieutenant that gave up a pension and lifetime medical service, in addition to numerous other incentives and benefits, to work for Al Jazeera. Why? Military bullshit, particularly in regards to the Iraq War. Am I grateful that our men and women are at home and abroad defending and serving out country? Yes. Should Saddam have been taken out of power? Yes. Do all Arabs hate America/Americans? Hell no. This is the most ridiculous shit I've ever heard. I love how everyone seems to have their head buried in the sand. "We're fighting for Iraqi freedom! Nope, it's definitely not an occupation, and we sure as hell aren't guarding/taking the oil fields. No sir."

reshalghoul;221405 wrote:
No, he made a stupid statement, by saying I shouldn't live here because I don't think all Arabs should be dead. It was an asinine statement.

Edit: I always make sure to wear a helmet (brain's too valuable) and I don't drive like an asshat. What's the name of the trucking company you manage (no reason)?

reshalghoul;221406 wrote:
You're quoting statements I never said and speaking like you're the de facto person on citizenship. Good God man, grow some gray matter for a change!

reshalghoul;221408 wrote:
+1

Sadly, I agree with the former.

maybe you should try multi-quoting... stupid n00b

[GarageAlchemist]

tjamz;221332 wrote:
I honestly don't see how it can hurt. Does it show weakness if we go in and demand that they stop their nuclear programs, etc....? I know we don't negotiate with terrorists, but really, what other solution is there to try short of killing all of them?

I know full good and well that we are the one shining beacon of hope & freedom....if we weren't you and I wouldn't be having this conversation. But what if they don't follow our ways once we've gone to war with them (ie Iraq)? Do we stay until we've killed all of those who disagree with the opportunity we've presented?

I still think I am apples-to-apples on this one. If I really try hard, I can see their view (but I DO NOT AGREE WITH IT):

We tell them that they can/cannot develop weapons, etc...and we impose sanctions when they don't follow our orders. They see that as an act of terror on them.

Basically, I wish we'd quit fucking around in Iraq, start dropping MOAB's like a MOFO and give them something to be scared of. "shock and awe" turned into "meh and bleh" in my opinion. And I blame both parties for being pussies on this issue.

Since you are all about flipping the scenarios around, do it with Iran and us. Iran invades us and tells us that we can no longer produce nuclear weapons, you wouldn't see that as an act of terrorism? Not saying we shouldnt do it, but you have to look at it both ways just like you did before

And regarding the solution to win a war, like previously said the two ways to win a war are if both sides want peace, or all of one side dies, or is threatened with death. The problem is, they dont give a shit if they die. The greatest glory they can recieve in thier lives is to kill us, and die doing it. So its either leave and say fuck it, or genocide and kill them all.

[XJHEAD]

So anyways, St. Peter is working at the Pearly gates and along comes a black man. He asks him his name and what he has done with his life. He responds my name is Barack Obama and I was the first black US president. St Peter says no shit, when did this happen? Obama replies about 10 minutes ago.

[DaveH]

XJHEAD;221458 wrote:
So anyways, St. Peter is working at the Pearly gates and along comes a black man. He asks him his name and what he has done with his life. He responds my name is Barack Obama and I was the first black US president. St Peter says no shit, when did this happen? Obama replies about 10 minutes ago.

Thats funny stuff right there...

[Guest]

^^^ With a very real possibility of coming true.

[harm]

reminded me of something i'd seen on a t-shirt..

voting methods

[Jim]

GarageAlchemist;221442 wrote:
Since you are all about flipping the scenarios around, do it with Iran and us. Iran invades us and tells us that we can no longer produce nuclear weapons, you wouldn't see that as an act of terrorism? Not saying we shouldnt do it, but you have to look at it both ways just like you did before

And regarding the solution to win a war, like previously said the two ways to win a war are if both sides want peace, or all of one side dies, or is threatened with death. The problem is, they dont give a shit if they die. The greatest glory they can recieve in thier lives is to kill us, and die doing it. So its either leave and say fuck it, or genocide and kill them all.

There is a VERY VERY small portion of extremists compared to the total number of Muslim people that actually feel this way. Look at Pakistan, where exremists have been hunted by the people and nearly all support for any Jihadist movement has been eliminated.

[Guest]

Jim;221536 wrote:
There is a VERY VERY small portion of extremists compared to the total number of Muslim people that actually feel this way. Look at Pakistan, where exremists have been hunted by the people and nearly all support for any Jihadist movement has been eliminated.

Try telling that to Rex. Apparently to him, every single Muslim hates us and needs to exterminated.

[thrash]

There is a lot of sympathy towards terrorists, jihad, etc, amongst "moderate" muslims.

While it is certainly true that only a small percentage of muslims are actually blowing shit up, what is disturbing is how few of them will condemn Hamas or other extremist groups. The fact of the matter is that it's truly hard to get a "read" on the silent majority. So many of these people are being recruited and trained through normal mosques using prominent leaders that it's hard to imagine more moderate muslims don't know about it.

Even so called "moderate" muslims in the US, when polled, suggest in alarming numbers that they'd like to see the US constitution revoked and Sharia law instituted. CAIR and wackos like Keith Ellison (fuck you again, Minnesota!) are onboard with that sentiment, btw.

I'm not sure I'd mention Pakistan as some gleaming beacon of Muslim reasonableness. Our best guess is that Bin Laden is hiding out in Pakistan right now. Who's protecting him there?

[Jim]

thrash;221583 wrote:
There is a lot of sympathy towards terrorists, jihad, etc, amongst "moderate" muslims.

While it is certainly true that only a small percentage of muslims are actually blowing shit up, what is disturbing is how few of them will condemn Hamas or other extremist groups. The fact of the matter is that it's truly hard to get a "read" on the silent majority. So many of these people are being recruited and trained through normal mosques using prominent leaders that it's hard to imagine more moderate muslims don't know about it.

Even so called "moderate" muslims in the US, when polled, suggest in alarming numbers that they'd like to see the US constitution revoked and Sharia law instituted. CAIR and wackos like Keith Ellison (fuck you again, Minnesota!) are onboard with that sentiment, btw.

I'm not sure I'd mention Pakistan as some gleaming beacon of Muslim reasonableness. Our best guess is that Bin Laden is hiding out in Pakistan right now. Who's protecting him there?

After the assasination of benazir bhutto, theres little support for extremeist groups by the people.