Ok...so now I'm confused

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[DaveH]

tjamz;238020 wrote:
Find ANY proof that Wright said those things at the time that Obama was still attending his church (before the campaign started) or that Obama was in fact present when he said those things and I'll possibly consider voting for McCain.

How about the fact that the church was selling the video of Wright saying those things in the lobby of the church while Obama was going there? I know he says he never saw it... I dunno, do you really believe that?

[zbrown]

tjamz;238034 wrote:
As for the youtube video...yes, i've seen it before, but that was AFTER Obama started his campaign. As for what motivated him to say those comments at that time....who knows? I still haven't found one piece of evidence in the many years of video that were shot at that church with him leading the congregation where he ever publicly made a statement like that prior to this election campaign. That would be the equivalent of finding out now (for example....hypothetically speaking) that my priest that I grew up listening to all the sudden was found guilty of possessing child porn....does that mean that he ever touched me as an alter server? does that mean that he continually spoke favorably of molestation? Or does that mean that while he may have harbored those thoughts while I knew him, he never spoke about them until recently?

considering White has had long ties with Nation of Islam leader Louis Farrakhan, who has made anti-Semitic remarks..............

:rolleyes:

[Bassplayer]

MisterCMK;238038 wrote:
CMK for president

Oh god no

[Guest]

DaveH;238048 wrote:
How about the fact that the church was selling the video of Wright saying those things in the lobby of the church while Obama was going there? I know he says he never saw it... I dunno, do you really believe that?

I don't believe anything that comes out of Washington...if there weren't eye-witness reports of McCain being a POW, I'd be leary of that as well (/end sarcasm for those that don't realize when I am being sarcastic)....and, correct me if I'm wrong, those tapes were made AFTER Obama announced his candidacy and put up for sale at that time.

Basically, if we were all judged by the actions of our friends/associates I'd be not fit for employment by anyone because over the course of my 33 years on this planet, I was friends (prior to the following happening) with a guy who raped a convenience store clerk, another guy that shot his entire family when he was a teenager, multiple drug users and dealers, several girls who have had sex for money, people that have commited robberies, people involved in fatal DUI's....not to mention all the people who are blatantly racist that I have known over the years.

Geez, heaven forbid I ever consider a run at public office...I'll get crucified based on who I know.....which apparently means I think just like they do and follow the same set of beliefs.

[zbrown]

tjamz;238070 wrote:
I don't believe anything that comes out of Washington...if there weren't eye-witness reports of McCain being a POW, I'd be leary of that as well (/end sarcasm for those that don't realize when I am being sarcastic)....and, correct me if I'm wrong, those tapes were made AFTER Obama announced his candidacy and put up for sale at that time.

Basically, if we were all judged by the actions of our friends/associates I'd be not fit for employment by anyone because over the course of my 33 years on this planet, I was friends (prior to the following happening) with a guy who raped a convenience store clerk, another guy that shot his entire family when he was a teenager, multiple drug users and dealers, several girls who have had sex for money, people that have commited robberies, people involved in fatal DUI's....not to mention all the people who are blatantly racist that I have known over the years.

Geez, heaven forbid I ever consider a run at public office...I'll get crucified based on who I know.....which apparently means I think just like they do and follow the same set of beliefs.

Na, it would be more like a close friend that was an active KKK member , and you went to the weekly meetings with him but god forbid that you had any idea what was going on in that meeting.........

and that same friend wed you and your wife...... and baptized your children.....

[Guest]

There are what...5 mins of tape of Wright being an idiot out of how many years of tape??? Don't get me wrong, what Wright said is treasonous...I just have yet to see ANY other tape that was made that proves that Obama was present when he made those remarks OR that he agreed with any of those remarks. Produce that tape and I will show you a LANDSLIDE victory for McCain. Until then, no proof.

[zbrown]

tjamz;238077 wrote:
There are what...5 mins of tape of Wright being an idiot out of how many years of tape??? Don't get me wrong, what Wright said is treasonous...I just have yet to see ANY other tape that was made that proves that Obama was present when he made those remarks OR that he agreed with any of those remarks. Produce that tape and I will show you a LANDSLIDE victory for McCain. Until then, no proof.

DONE..................

@ 45 seconds - on please....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hwQWuQVE6sw&feature=related

sermon from 2003.........

you will say how "obama prolly wasn't there"

But is is stated that there is over a dozen taped sermons of White condemning....

so don't tell me Obama never new about this........

I have that gag reflex going again...

[MisterCMK]

Bassplayer;238062 wrote:
Oh god no

Who asked you? Don't you have some road racing to do with your Honda Fit?

[GarageAlchemist]

tjamz;238035 wrote:
Because, honestly, at McCains age, she could very easily be the next President, even before his term was up. She will cast tie-breaking votes in the Senate even before then.

Yes, he has minimal experience at the national level, but his political experience on a state level and his teaching of constitutional law to me mean that he has at least a little understanding of the laws that he is sworn to uphold.

Yes, McCain is experienced. Experience doesn't mean you are always right though. 8 years ago I was behind McCain when he was going up against Bush.....not because of his years of experience, but his track record of being willing to cross the aisle on issues that he felt were the right thing to do....now he is one of the more partisan voters in the senate (when he actually shows up to vote that is) and, in this voters eyes, has done this in an effort to secure the nomination from the republican party at this time. Flip-Flop anyone?

I find it funny that when it was apparent that McCain was actually going to get this nomination, the righties where in a state of disbelief almost. Several that I know said "Great, now our only choices are a liberal republican and a liberal democrat".

would you care to compare McCains attendance record with Obama's?

[harm]

i used to think i wasn't voting for obama because his policies didn't make sense, but now I guess I'm just an insensitive racist fuck. cheers.

[Guest]

nah...I never said anyone had to vote for him or that if you didn't you were racist. That video does change my perspective a bit, but again...it's five minutes or less in more the 20 years at the church. I'm not defending Wright saying it, I just don't vilify anyone who attended his church during that time just because they heard it.

As for McCains attendance vs. Obama.... McCain has missed 412 votes vs. Obama's 295 during the 110th Congress.....meaning McCain has missed more votes than he's made it for (64.1%) vs (Obama's 45.9% absent)

As for the votes he missed.... http://projects.washingtonpost.com/congress/members/m000303/votes/missed/

[weshole]

tjamz;238004 wrote:

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• If your total resume is: local weather girl, 4 years on the city
  council and 6 years as the mayor of a town with less than 7,000
  people, 20 months as the governor of a state with only 650,000 people,
  then you're qualified to become the country's second highest ranking
  executive and next in line behind a man in his eighth decade.

Ya but, She's fuckable.

[Guest]

Oh yeah...for sure. No doubts about that.

[DaveH]

tjamz;238102 wrote:
nah...I never said anyone had to vote for him or that if you didn't you were racist. That video does change my perspective a bit, but again...it's five minutes or less in more the 20 years at the church. I'm not defending Wright saying it, I just don't vilify anyone who attended his church during that time just because they heard it.

As for McCains attendance vs. Obama.... McCain has missed 412 votes vs. Obama's 295 during the 110th Congress.....meaning McCain has missed more votes than he's made it for (64.1%) vs (Obama's 45.9% absent)

As for the votes he missed.... http://projects.washingtonpost.com/congress/members/m000303/votes/missed/

You really dont want to compare thier attendance/voting records... if you look closer you'll see that yes, Obama was there more, but he voted "present" on a HUGE number of votes, rather than "yes" or "no". Is "present" better than not being there? I dunno.

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DaveH;238113 wrote:
You really dont want to compare thier attendance/voting records... if you look closer you'll see that yes, Obama was there more, but he voted "present" on a HUGE number of votes, rather than "yes" or "no". Is "present" better than not being there? I dunno.

Here is where it gets tricky, I'll agree. By being there he had the ability to vote if it appeared that his vote was needed on a bill (the results appear before voting actually ends IIRC). Since this is an election year, it was probably to his advantage to not take a stance one way or the other on some issues unless it was apparent that his vote would indeed make a difference OR if he wanted to have it on his record of being for/against an issue.

Is this right/wrong? I dunno either, it does appear to me that he at least cared enough about an issue to sit through the vote to see how it was faring and to cast a decisive vote if needed.

[Guest]

http://www.babeled.com/2008/08/31/an-honest-comparison-of-obama-mccains-senate-voting-records/

[Grr]

wow chuck, theres alot of things you dont seem to take into account with obama. Im not gonna waste my time looking up stuff for you, but there is so much out there its rediculous. How about Obama NOT supporting the rights of babies born live in a failed abortion? Now im somewhat pro-choice, but late term (sucking out there brains or born prior to self support) abortions are not my thing. That kind of thing is simply immoral and i think if a child is born living, it has all the right to care of any human being.
Now Obama listened to alot of testimony from one nurse in particular at a hospital where this was happening. You should look up the interview with her on youtube or hannity.com . After hearing how they were tossing these living children into a utility room and leaving them to die at the request of the parents, he still voted against the bill put forth to make this kind of thing illegal.
Thats just one of many of the bills he "voted on" and made excuses about. I honestly could give 2 shits if hes ever voted on anything, the fact that he voted that way against a very hard line moral value i have ends it. If he told me he would make me rich as hell and powerful, i still wouldnt vote for him for this one fact. Now i could bring up things like this all day, but if you cant see past all the nazi-esque propaganda from him, you arent worth my time.

Also would like to note, im not pro-mcCain, but at least he stands for his beleifs and moral authority.
Gary

[Bassplayer]

MisterCMK;238093 wrote:
Who asked you? Don't you have some road racing to do with your Honda Fit?

Do I need to be asked? I still don't get why you think road racing a Honda Fit is a come-back? It's a really good platform, at a very reasonable price. Fill me in oh god of everything?

[Grr]

I just want to add one more thing, since i wont reply to this for a day or 2 probably.What is the presidents most important job, the highest priority?Commander of the armed forces.*

Its not economics, or foreign relations, they hire people for advice on that stuff.*

The fact that the closest Obama has gotten to the armed forces is (for all intents and purposes) not supporting, not willing to support or pay for, and all around demoralizing the military is sickening.* He was one of the heads of the "soliders have lost the war, they are rapists and murderers" clan.* He refused to visit soliders in the hospital, he mocks them, the list goes on and on and on...

Now mccain on the other hand, hes been there.* Hes been through hell and lived, experienced and saw what himself and fellow soliders had to go through.* He proudly stood up for his oath, and for his freinds that were sharing his experience.* He knows how the system works, he knows what they want and need to operate efficiently and with good morale.Once again, the stark difference here is laughable.*

If you interviewed for a job that required 3 tasks.* One was very very important, say a nuclear plant in your town, and the other 2 just things to do to kill time between the first.* Say you were very good at the first, and so-so on the other 2.* If another guy that had no experiece at all in the first, but a little better than you in the other 2 BS jobs got hired, wouldnt you feel unsafe?* Would you trust him to make descisions on a scale this large?* The big red light is going off and all he can do is stutter and say um while looking for the book or someone to tell him what to do, while you know the exact answer to solve the issue.In other words, the guy that got your job is a fucking moron, have fun