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Tad218;244095 wrote:
This has nothing to do with real socialism or what you're probably referring to as "socialism"....I'm saying America could be better right now. Do you seriously think America is in the best possible shape it could be in right now?
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Parker;244121 wrote:
take your time to think... because off the top of you're head im betting you dont know... but go ahead and deny what is so true...
The economy is a good place to start. Have you been paying attention to it?The lack of jobs, the fact jobs pay too low, the stock market, foreclosed homes, wasting money on an unnecessary war, etc...
Not to mention I'd like to see changes when it comes to health care and illegal immigration....
The standard stuff I'm sure you'd agree with me on if you're being honest....
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Just saw this thread...but what I want to see....
Equal percentage rate income tax across the board
corporations paying their share of taxes (IOW, close some damn loopholes)
lose the incentives for companies to incorporate overseas vs here
more oversight regarding banking, not to protect the people from themselves, but to protect them from others
an end to the war in Iraq. You can't defeat an idea....Hitler tried that with poor success w/ his genocide attempt on the Jews
a solid energy plan that includes searching for new, reliable, efficient sources of alternative energy
a continuation of the farm program that ensures cheap food for everyone in this country. I don't want my food prices jerked around like the gas prices. I'll pay $.10 more today to save $.20 tomorrow thank you.
an end to the Patriot Act...or at least a total revamp of it
funding for no child left behind...seriously, we are going to cut funding for schools that aren't up to par...how is that going to help?
Someone who is going to stand up for all of the aspects of the constitution...but realizes that some things aren't as black and white as our founding fathers thought they might have been.
An end to the borrow and spend tactics of the current administration. I'd rather see tax and spend than borrow and spend.
Someone with the balls to sit down with the leaders of countries we don't agree with politically, rather than just overthrow them. It worked with Russia who was a greater threat than any of these little piss-ant middle eastern countries...I don't see why Reagan was able to do it, but somehow we think that the next (or current) president won't be able to.
Someone who has a plan to make healthcare more affordable and catastrophic care more available.
Someone who is willing to work towards stopping illegal immigration.
This is what I want from my country. This is what I want from my president. Neither candidate offers a total package, but one is a hell of a lot closer than the other.
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tjamz;244134 wrote:
Just saw this thread...but what I want to see....Equal percentage rate income tax across the board
corporations paying their share of taxes (IOW, close some damn loopholes)
lose the incentives for companies to incorporate overseas vs here
more oversight regarding banking, not to protect the people from themselves, but to protect them from others
an end to the war in Iraq. You can't defeat an idea....Hitler tried that with poor success w/ his genocide attempt on the Jews
a solid energy plan that includes searching for new, reliable, efficient sources of alternative energy
a continuation of the farm program that ensures cheap food for everyone in this country. I don't want my food prices jerked around like the gas prices. I'll pay $.10 more today to save $.20 tomorrow thank you.
an end to the Patriot Act...or at least a total revamp of it
funding for no child left behind...seriously, we are going to cut funding for schools that aren't up to par...how is that going to help?
Someone who is going to stand up for all of the aspects of the constitution...but realizes that some things aren't as black and white as our founding fathers thought they might have been.
An end to the borrow and spend tactics of the current administration. I'd rather see tax and spend than borrow and spend.
Someone with the balls to sit down with the leaders of countries we don't agree with politically, rather than just overthrow them. It worked with Russia who was a greater threat than any of these little piss-ant middle eastern countries...I don't see why Reagan was able to do it, but somehow we think that the next (or current) president won't be able to.
Someone who has a plan to make healthcare more affordable and catastrophic care more available.
Someone who is willing to work towards stopping illegal immigration.
This is what I want from my country. This is what I want from my president. Neither candidate offers a total package, but one is a hell of a lot closer than the other.
so all in all... you want the government to control more of your life.... -
zbrown;244136 wrote:
So the truth shows itself....I don't see how that is a problem. I think the last AWB was overdone, but some of the gun control/ownership background checks that came out of it were good. I really don't see another one actually passing.
Many of the things that are spelled out in the constitution and Bill of Rights (BoR) are subject to logical over-ruling.
For example:
Free Speech: You can't yell "fire" in a movie theater, you can't threaten the lives of others, etc....
Right to keep and bear arms: You can't carry a gun into a school, you can't own a nuclear weapon, you can't drive with a gun hanging out the window of your vehicle
Search & Seizure: If a cop smells pot in your car or sees you commit a crime in your home through a window, they can search your home/car and confiscate any evidence
States Rights: This gets trampled on every day by our gov't either directly or indirectly (such as taking away state funds for not enforcing a seat belt law, drinking age or other federally mandated changes)
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Parker;244138 wrote:
so all in all... you want the government to control more of your life....Show me the more gov't control in what you quoted: (all in Blue are gov't control, red are more freedoms/lower taxes) those left in normal text can be argued as being either side.
tjamz;244134 wrote:
Just saw this thread...but what I want to see....Equal percentage rate income tax across the board
corporations paying their share of taxes (IOW, close some damn loopholes) 2/3 corporations pay ZERO corporate taxes...tax them at a flat rate as well
lose the incentives for companies to incorporate overseas vs here
more oversight regarding banking, not to protect the people from themselves, but to protect them from others
an end to the war in Iraq. You can't defeat an idea....Hitler tried that with poor success w/ his genocide attempt on the Jews
a solid energy plan that includes searching for new, reliable, efficient sources of alternative energy
a continuation of the farm program that ensures cheap food for everyone in this country. I don't want my food prices jerked around like the gas prices. I'll pay $.10 more today to save $.20 tomorrow thank you.
an end to the Patriot Act...or at least a total revamp of it
funding for no child left behind...seriously, we are going to cut funding for schools that aren't up to par...how is that going to help?
Someone who is going to stand up for all of the aspects of the constitution...but realizes that some things aren't as black and white as our founding fathers thought they might have been.
An end to the borrow and spend tactics of the current administration. I'd rather see tax and spend than borrow and spend.
Someone with the balls to sit down with the leaders of countries we don't agree with politically, rather than just overthrow them. It worked with Russia who was a greater threat than any of these little piss-ant middle eastern countries...I don't see why Reagan was able to do it, but somehow we think that the next (or current) president won't be able to.
Someone who has a plan to make healthcare more affordable and catastrophic care more available. (EDIT AFTER THE FACT: But also leaves health care as a private entity and is not out to have uniform/automatic healthcare) Though I'd argue this should be in red as it will SAVE taxpayers money vs the current system.
Someone who is willing to work towards stopping illegal immigration.
This is what I want from my country. This is what I want from my president. Neither candidate offers a total package, but one is a hell of a lot closer than the other.
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tjamz;244141 wrote:
Show me the more gov't control in what you quoted: (all in Blue are gov't control, red are more freedoms/lower taxes) those left in normal text can be argued as being either side.hmm you seem to have the constitution statement in red......... am i missing something
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zbrown;244143 wrote:
hmm you seem to have the constitution statement in red......... am i missing somethingNope. Following the constitution doesn't infringe on rights. Realizing that the framers had no concept of what a nuclear bomb is and that the average joe plumber probably shouldn't have access to them is the example of how the constitution isn't black and white. I clarified it in more detail in the other post I made in this thread. Please learn to read so that you may better and fully comprehend what my points are in regards to this (and most) political matter.
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Please explain this to me, oh "end of the world is coming cuz all corporations will move over seas" conservatives. Why have we lost more jobs overseas SINCE the Bush tax cuts than prior to? I mean, with all the money that they should have saved, there should have been millions of jobs created rather than shipped away....right? Isn't that the theory? We had 6 years of total conservatism (I use that term loosely...I should say current republicanism) and what we saw was a destruction of the middle class in this country.
Fuck George W Bush and fuck the majority of the current republican party (and a good portion of the Democratic party as well).
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