OBAMA is a socialist!!!!
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tjamz;244325 wrote:
If you honestly think your quality of life is worse if you make more than $250,000/year than it is if you are on welfare making $12k/year (at best) I suggest going back to school and taking economics classes.If you honestly took that as the literal meaning of my comment you definitely missinterperated it. It was an extreme example asking why someone who goes to school for 8-10 years and spends a shitton on and education, or works their way up a ladder through a company, and works their ass off to get a good paying job should be penelized for doing so. And why someone would be motivated to do so just so the government can fuck them over more so then if they hadn't.
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The whole tax issue/debate could be simply fixed with a flat tax rate. Why create brackets? Why take more $ from people who are more successful? There is no reason to punish them for being successful, just keep it a simple flat tax rate.. Which ever % that would be would be whatever is equivalant to what the whole nation pays already. Than everyone can stop their bitching, because if they make an extra $10-200k or whatever a year, they are taxed the same.
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24valvenotak;244314 wrote:
im sorry but if some kid's life is saved by you NOT super sizing tomorrow then tough shit. stop posting on the interwebs so you can get back to torturing and killing kittens.if you make 250k+ and the tax hike means you are forced to stop being so wasteful (because thats all it is when you make that sort of money) then i say GOOD if a single mom can raise two kids on 23k a year then you and your quarter mil can suffer and mow your own lawn from now on.
I'd like to add a +1 to this mmmkay? Oh and lolz...
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24valvenotak;244314 wrote:
im sorry but if some kid's life is saved by you NOT super sizing tomorrow then tough shit. stop posting on the interwebs so you can get back to torturing and killing kittens.if you make 250k+ and the tax hike means you are forced to stop being so wasteful (because thats all it is when you make that sort of money) then i say GOOD if a single mom can raise two kids on 23k a year then you and your quarter mil can suffer and mow your own lawn from now on.
its a bit different for a business.... 250k is not alot of money... for some thats just scraping by... -
24valvenotak;244314 wrote:
im sorry but if some kid's life is saved by you NOT super sizing tomorrow then tough shit. stop posting on the interwebs so you can get back to torturing and killing kittens.if you make 250k+ and the tax hike means you are forced to stop being so wasteful (because thats all it is when you make that sort of money) then i say GOOD if a single mom can raise two kids on 23k a year then you and your quarter mil can suffer and mow your own lawn from now on.
Well, first off, I don't make anything near 250k/year, but that number is irrelevant because the tax plan he's selling isn't the tax plan we'll get, and looking at it only from a AGI perspective misses all of the other tax disasters he's cooking up. I say "me" to generally mean "people who work". You might be surprised to know that the majority of people in the tax brackets Obama claims he's going to increase taxes for are actually Democrats. Yet Republicans vocally oppose this not out of selfishness or direct self interest, but because coercive wealth redistribution is immoral. We've been doing it a long time, but that doesn't mean its OK to make it worse.
Also, I typically don't eat fast food. My wife cooks most of what we eat from scratch. Supersizing tends to give you bigger fries and a drink, both of which have a massive glycemic load and are strongly correlated with early onset Type2 diabeties. So I try and avoid it. That's two stupid assumptions you've made.
But the real point here is this: basically, you feel it is OK to steal money from anyone that makes more than a certain amount of money? Really?
Suppose that I was making 250k a year. You'd come up to me, and say "give me $500 or else?" Seriously? How can you call yourself a human with an attitude like that? And then have the nerve to accuse me of kitten killing?
Or is it ok when 20 people mob together and say "you, with the 250k, give us $5000"?
either way, its fucking theft, and in the latter case, its angry-mob theft.
It's immoral. It's illegal. If you support this sort of government, you may as well wait for me outside work and mug me, hoping to get the trivial amount of cash that I carry.
I am not against helping sick people, nor am I against charitable giving. When I sold my house in Seattle to move here, I gave a tithe on the proceeds of the sale to my Church. I don't want to assume too much about you specifically, but that amounts to more in charitable giving than many people will do in their entire lives.
I am against the outright nationalization of health care, which is what the progressives want, and I am against coercive redistribution of wealth, which is what Obama stands for and re-iterates at every opportunity.
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What's funny is that McCain doesn't even think Obama is a socialist
(Transcript from Larry King Show)
L. KING: Do you -- you don't believe Barack Obama is a socialist, do you?
MCCAIN: No. But I do believe -- I do believe that he's been in the far left of American politics. He has stated time after time that he believes in quote, "spreading the wealth around." He's talked about courts that would redistribute the wealth.
He has a record of voting against tax cuts and for tax increases. And I don't think there's any doubt that he would increase spending and he would -- and sooner or later, we would be increasing taxes.
There is no doubt in my mind that that's what his record -- 94 times he voted to cut taxes -- against tax cuts and for tax increases. He voted for -- and that's what matters, not rhetoric -- to raise taxes on individuals making $42,000 a year.
L. KING: Concerning spreading the wealth, isn't the graduated income tax spreading the wealth?
MCCAIN: The graduated income tax...
L. KING: If you and I paid more so that Jimmy can get some for him or pay for a welfare recipient, that's spreading the wealth.
MCCAIN: Well, that's spreading the wealth in the respect that we do have a graduated income tax. That's a far cry from taking from one group of Americans and giving to another. I mean, that's dramatically different.
WHAT!?!?!?!!?
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McCain doesn't even know what he is talking about anymore....and you guys want him to be president? Seriously?
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Spread the wealth... Hmm, so does he think he's Robin Hood or something? -- I still think it's unfair to take from the rich & give to the poor. Why push to make an honest successful living if if you become very successful, a large portion of your income goes to people who are maybe lazy, people with no ambition to work, or just bad workers that can't hold a job. I understand that there are some people who are physically disabled, or almost completely incompetent to work, but, how many people you think that are on welfare that could currently easily hold a labor job? -- They should just push for a flat tax rate, but we all know that would never happen... The poor/middle class will complain too much, yet in my opinion it would be the fairest route to go.
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tjamz;244502 wrote:
McCain doesn't even know what he is talking about anymore....and you guys want him to be president? Seriously?When Obama gets elected, there will be a many videos of him having a blunder. Obama has no plan anyways...it all about CHANGE. What Change? His economic plan is a joke...
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What is McCains plan? He's been throwing the "Change" motto out for a while now too. And everything that I've seen says that his tax/spending plan will do far more damage to the nations economy than that of Obama.
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tjamz;244529 wrote:
What is McCains plan? He's been throwing the "Change" motto out for a while now too. And everything that I've seen says that his tax/spending plan will do far more damage to the nations economy than that of Obama.Answer my question first...
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