Help your 11 year old dodge the draft!
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PSiedTSi;245861 wrote:
LOL out with it!I was just wondering how many people felt the Patriot Act was an intrusion of privacy into our lives and think it's one of the worst things ever, yet are in favor of forcing kids to serve their communities.
I mean, what's wrong with the government listening in on you if you're not doing anything wrong right?
By the way I do NOT support the patriot act, nor do I support this "America Serves" plan either.
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I understand what you are saying. You already stated you were involved in community service in class, all but stating this plan is already in effect in some places. The point I think you are trying to make is you disagreeing with it being federally setup or mandated, right? If that is the case, then I do see the idea.
If this does end up happening, I think it would work a lot better completely blended in the cirriculum. Kids will be a lot more excited to do it if it's basically a "field trip". Field trips of any kind were the best kind, just to get out and about...
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help your kids dodge the draft? ZOMG, people helping the community. Who gives a rip? seriously, I remember being forced to do a project where we "Volunteered in 6th grade called "Heroes". It was probably the best learning experiences I have ever had.
Yes, I was forced to do it.
No, it did not kill me.
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you arn't getting it, it's not that it's so crazy of an idea or that it is just helping the comunity it is about them forcing you to be a humanitarian, if you don't want to help you shouldn't be forced to. it is the right and the responsablity of the parents/family to teach kids how to help and what it means to help. not the government.
this is just yet another way they are controlling the way ppl live there lives.
do you ppl even understand freedom? the "freedom" to choose to "not" help.
and will your by far the laziest person i know, the hell if your going to volinteer anywhere.
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I will be avoiding any compulsory education "requirements" that I disagree with. It's that simple.
When I was in school there was no compulsory "community service". We visted nursing homes and sung Chrismas Carols and it was a great time. But the feds weren't going to seize me out of my home if my dad didn't want me to go for some reason.
I'm worried this is different.
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next thing ya know it will be mandatory "field trips" to the gas chambers! yay!
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Amen Brotha Smith!
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DrifterExtreme;245878 wrote:
you arn't getting it, it's not that it's so crazy of an idea or that it is just helping the comunity it is about them forcing you to be a humanitarian, if you don't want to help you shouldn't be forced to. it is the right and the responsablity of the parents/family to teach kids how to help and what it means to help. not the government.this is just yet another way they are controlling the way ppl live there lives.
do you ppl even understand freedom? the "freedom" to choose to "not" help.
and will your by far the laziest person i know, the hell if your going to volinteer anywhere.
haha ok matt. I am pretty lazy
i have steady jobs, instead of coming in when i feel like it.and fyi i have to do volunteer work for my fraternity. Last semester i did 46-50 hrs. of work at the YWCA/Childrens Maricle Network. Thats pretty lazy of me.
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But i suppose its not 100% kosher to MAKE them do community service. They could always do it as, not to bring it up again, a field trip style of thing. I remember back in Jr High/High school whenever we went on a trip or anything like that; there were some kids that didn't participate that just went home or w/e. Could possibly do it that way.
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IMO, i don't think it should be required, but if you are taking advantage of stuff like grants/scholarships/loans for college, i don't think it is unreasonable to have this as part of the requirements to take advantage of there programs or benefits. Either way, it doesn't really bother me, there is plenty of stuff required already...
should kids not have to go to school at all if they don't want to?? Doesn't that infringe on their freedoms.
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Rexwagon;245813 wrote:
O no, people having to give back to the country that gives them a place to live. Thrash you should help your kind do this. Maybe if people helped their own country people wouldnt be so ungrateful.Who says that you have to be grateful? That is the great thing about America. I have the choice whether or not to be grateful to live in this country. I have the freedom to despise our soldiers, police, etc that are a part of making this country what it is. I also have the freedom to be appreciative of the wonderful country I live in and do what I can to help.
To those of you who support the forced volunteer work:
If you think it is such a great idea, why don't you volunteer more yourself now or require your own kids (if applicable) to do a certain amount of community service?Quite frankly, I have no obligation to volunteer my time to help an organization. Just like I have no obligation to help my family/friends when they need it. If i feel that I have a moral conviction to help or volunteer then I do so, not because somebody tells me that I have to.
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inspector01;245892 wrote:
IMO, i don't think it should be required, but if you are taking advantage of stuff like grants/scholarships/loans for college, i don't think it is unreasonable to have this as part of the requirements to take advantage of there programs or benefits.
+1
Although 100 hours a year for a college student might be a bit much. If you work full time and go to school full time you would pretty much have to do all 100 during summer break, while working. I do not agree with being forced as an eighth grader to go and do community service, if its a good idea or not is a moot point, its forced labor period. Now the government can feel free to set up community service programs all it wants, that's a great idea, but allow the community to decide what is right for them. That, however, would require effort and motivation on the community's part. So in order for it to work there would have to be some kind of accountability for the money spent to set up the programs and we are right back to square one.
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thrash;245879 wrote:
But the feds weren't going to seize me out of my home if my dad didn't want me to go for some reason.I'm worried this is different.
The key there is that *you *are worried about that. IMO, I think you are completely overreacting. I HIGHLY doubt what you described will ever happen. I mean are you fucking serious? Do you really think we are going to get just fucking crazy all of a sudden? If that is really happening, we have more to worry about before it comes to that. Just because we may support someone you think is radical doesn't mean he *is *that radical. I understood the point to a certain extent, but get real now.
I agree it should not be federally mandated though, atleast not as forced labor. Like I said previously(and Will), you can incorporate it into a lesson plan, etc. Make it gasp fun instead of as a "job"...
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capitlj;245906 wrote:
+1
Although 100 hours a year for a college student might be a bit much. If you work full time and go to school full time you would pretty much have to do all 100 during summer break, while working. I do not agree with being forced as an eighth grader to go and do community service, if its a good idea or not is a moot point, its forced labor period. Now the government can feel free to set up community service programs all it wants, that's a great idea, but allow the community to decide what is right for them. That, however, would require effort and motivation on the community's part. So in order for it to work there would have to be some kind of accountability for the money spent to set up the programs and we are right back to square one.How is it the community's decision what is right for individual people?
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PSiedTSi;245872 wrote:
I understand what you are saying. You already stated you were involved in community service in class, all but stating this plan is already in effect in some places. The point I think you are trying to make is you disagreeing with it being federally setup or mandated, right? If that is the case, then I do see the idea.If this does end up happening, I think it would work a lot better completely blended in the cirriculum. Kids will be a lot more excited to do it if it's basically a "field trip". Field trips of any kind were the best kind, just to get out and about...
Exactly!
Sure I agree 100% that people should get more involved, help their communities, etc. BUT...
I do not agree that it should be MANDATED by the government that you do it. Our government is too large the way it is, involved in daily life too much the way it is, and this would just be one more way for them to slowly integrate government into every single part of our lives...Like others have said, this isn't freedom. I don't think anyone here is arguing that people shouldn't volunteer or help, the argument is whether the government has a right to force "us" to behave a certain way.
I know it sounds conspiracy-ish but at the same time I think it's valid to ask, if they feel it necessary to volunteer, what is next that they will feel should be necessary? If we're to give them the leverage here then it's just helping set a precedent for future laws and mandates to be passed that say "well now you HAVE to do X hours of this, BUT we'll cut you a break and give you a $4000 tax credit"
I'd be willing to bet MOST college and highschool students don't end up owing on taxes come tax time so the tax credit doesn't do jack shit for help.
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