Should the US govt bail out the American Auto Giants?
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MisterCMK;246320 wrote:
Too little, too late my friend. Rather than trying to nickel and dime the help for them, lets simply bite the bullet and give them the leg up that they need.The real question is "why" are they in this situation...and dont blame the current economic conditions. This has been happening for a while.
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SmitEvo;246319 wrote:
Look at it from the Macro point of view...it wont happen that way. Something else will always take the big 3's place. Why wont they be able to find another job? You act like it would be the end of the world.That is all well and good, however there are many constraints in place already. If this were a free market then yes, you would be correct. However, when there are constraints put on the markets the game changes.
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MisterCMK;246323 wrote:
Inflation is inevitable, there is no argument about that. We can argue all we want about what put is in this situation, but the bottom line is that it needs to be dealt with now.Why does it need to be dealt with? Let them go bankrupt and other companies take them over and help them run profitably. Most people wouldnt even lose thier jobs...
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MisterCMK;246326 wrote:
That is all well and good, however there are many constraints in place already. If this were a free market then yes, you would be correct. However, when there are constraints put on the markets the game changes.What constraints? Elaborate please? I always thought we had free markets in the United States...
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SmitEvo;246321 wrote:
Nope, but analyzing income statments for case studies involving unions vs companies that do not have unions sure does. Give me some real life insight of a union CMK....tell me how they make a company more profitable.So only having one small part of the story makes you an expert? I never made and claims or comments regarding a union's impact on profitability of a company. I simply said that the union brings many benefits to the table for both the union worker and the company that employs the worker. Now, as a preemptive comment, I will say that the unions are primarily for the worker, not the employer. However, by playing by the union rules for things such as termination, education requirements, work days, etc, the company can remove many instances where the employee claims that they were unfairly treated or whatnot.
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unions exploit their situation.. in construction unions can underbid a job just to get it and in return they are compensated by the association they belong to in order to make up for the false estimate.... forcing the "little" guy who can actually do the job for that price out of work.
is that moral or just good business..thats up to you but either way people are being forced out of work. why not start over and make doing business in the united states profitable again? sort of eliminates free enterprise when the govt pays for you when you make a boo boo
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SmitEvo;246327 wrote:
Why does it need to be dealt with? Let them go bankrupt and other companies take them over and help them run profitably. Most people wouldnt even lose thier jobs...If there were no other impacts other than the company itself and those directly involved, I would say sure. However, the issue is more widespread than that. The entire country would feel the effects if the Big 3 were to fail.
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24valvenotak;246332 wrote:
unions exploit their situation.. in construction unions can underbid a job just to get it and in return they are compensated by the association they belong to in order to make up for the false estimate.... forcing the "little" guy who can actually do the job for that price out of work.is that moral or just good business..thats up to you but either way people are being forced out of work. why not start over and make doing business in the united states profitable again? sort of eliminates free enterprise when the govt pays for you when you make a boo boo
Unions don't bid jobs... Union contractors are underbid and undercut by the "trunk slammers" who are non union every day.
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SmitEvo;246325 wrote:
The real question is "why" are they in this situation...and dont blame the current economic conditions. This has been happening for a while.Point blame wherever you want, but the fact of the matter is that this is happening, and all the blame in the world won't change the facts.
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MisterCMK;246330 wrote:
So only having one small part of the story makes you an expert? I never made and claims or comments regarding a union's impact on profitability of a company. I simply said that the union brings many benefits to the table for both the union worker and the company that employs the worker. Now, as a preemptive comment, I will say that the unions are primarily for the worker, not the employer. However, by playing by the union rules for things such as termination, education requirements, work days, etc, the company can remove many instances where the employee claims that they were unfairly treated or whatnot.Small part of the story...trust me, it wasnt a small case study. Why are companies in business? What is the main thing they are trying to accomplish? Do you think workers these days would be screwed if they didnt have unions backing them? All it does is create a false price floor for wages creating unnecessary costs which goes to the consumer. I wonder why we outsource labor these days...
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MisterCMK;246333 wrote:
If there were no other impacts other than the company itself and those directly involved, I would say sure. However, the issue is more widespread than that. The entire country would feel the effects if the Big 3 were to fail.I agree we would feel an impact, but it would be better for OUR future as a country. Let the strongest survive...
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MisterCMK;246336 wrote:
Point blame wherever you want, but the fact of the matter is that this is happening, and all the blame in the world won't change the facts.Facts are they are unprofitable...giving them money wont make them profitable and is just adding fuel to the flame. All this for a bandaid that wont fix the long term problem.
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MisterCMK;246335 wrote:
Unions don't bid jobs... Union contractors are underbid and undercut by the "trunk slammers" who are non union every day.they dont bid because they dont have to, poor choice of wording on my part, but the fact remians that they are awarded contracts for prices that make completing the job impossible for non-union contractors(and turn a similar profit) because they are subsidized by the associations they subscribe to. the jobs which only allow unionized labor are being compensated, dont kid yourself.
there is a reason why unions are discouraged by companies and since we have laws which protect the treatment of employees they are no longer necessary. if you work hard you dont need to pay for job security.
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SmitEvo;246340 wrote:
Facts are they are unprofitable...giving them money wont make them profitable and is just adding fuel to the flame. All this for a bandaid that wont fix the long term problem.They are not simply handing them a $50 billion check and saying enjoy. This is money that will help them restructure and change the way they operate.
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24valvenotak;246342 wrote:
they dont bid because they dont have to, poor choice of wording on my part, but the fact remians that they are awarded contracts for prices that make completing the job impossible for non-union contractors(and turn a similar profit) because they are subsidized by the associations they subscribe to. the jobs which only allow unionized labor are being compensated, dont kid yourself.there is a reason why unions are discouraged by companies and since we have laws which protect the treatment of employees they are no longer necessary. if you work hard you dont need to pay for job security.
You don't get it. Unions do not bid jobs. Unions are not contractors. You might want to read up on unions.
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