Minnesota
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thrash;264541 wrote:
It obviously did not prepare me to understand what your point is.Based on your post, since public school failed to do to me what it was designed to do, public school is good?
Sorry, I'm not really getting what you're after here.
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Trafik Jamz;264539 wrote:
No one requires it now. In ND you have open enrollment, you can pretty much go where ever you want.The point is that you have to go somewhere. And that somewhere has to meet standards set by the government. And ND is one of the most anti-homeschooling states in the US. I encourage you to support ND HB 1171 if you are an ND resident, since it will make homeschooling easier.
I'm with you on about 75% of this....I still want school attendance to be mandatory until you are 18 though.
Why?
If that is true and it is the will of the people, then I'd say that democracy is working? The people are getting what they want and what they voted for?
But this isn't a democracy. It's a republic. What most of the people want isn't necessarily what the law should be. The law, infact, is supposed to protect individuals and minorities from the fashionable wims of the mob. A republican form of government (not the party, but the form of government) is based on a system of written laws, and our republican government is founded on the constitution, a negative rights document, enumerating the powers of the government.
See above....and come on, if you were president, would you send your kids to a public school? I wouldn't. Not because of the poor education, but rather because of the security and other crap that comes with being the child of a president. I don't envy the kids of presidents at all.
Well, I'm not president, and I don't plan on sending my kid to any school at all
See, we mostly agree on things. Our views on some issues differ, but at the end of the day, I'd say we agreed on more than we disagreed on....I think if everyone looked beyond their party lines and had open discussions like this, you would find that it would be hard to tell one side from the other at the end of the day.
Ok but the key point we disagree on is that you feel that the state should compel students to do something they may not want to do. Furthermore, in practice, this means they should do it in the same place that other kids who want to be there [or don't NOT want to be there badly enought to run away/piss of their parents/whatever] will be in the same educational "pot".
How do you make one room, one teacher, and one set of textbooks work as jail for some kids and education for others?
One other important point. Let me state the following: suppose for a moment that I think keeping kids in school until they're 18 is best for me, best for them, and best for society.
Is that sufficient reason to make it law? It's just my opinion. By what authority does the state have the right to imprison kids? Is it ok of prison is spelled s-c-h-o-o-l ? If the aim here is to put kids that cannot be "Trusted" to be responsible into some sort of prison or detention, why not just do that?
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Trafik Jamz;264546 wrote:
I'd say that public school isn't designed to conform you at all or make you uniform.Finish the article at mises.org and see if you still think so
It's designed to introduce you to a large variety of people...people you will have to deal with in society.
Public school mostly taught me that i didn't want to deal with certain people in society. It's what I learned outside of public school that gave me the tools to largely acheive that in my life.
It's not clear that society should force people to associate with people they'd rather not associate with. Infact, I think I remember reading about some kind of freedom of association thing somewhere in our founding documents (those same documents that are the only things that bind us together as "Americans", since we share no common ancestry, no common race, no common religion, etc. I wish they'd spent more time on *that *in public school....)
It does give every kid a basic chance/opportunity to gather the minimal skills necessary to survive in the real world.
Is this exclusively a feature of public schooling as we know it, or could this be satisfied in other ways? And if this is the only justification for public schooling, how are we to judge its success? Certainly not by the number of people who allegedly slip "Below poverty" every year. Certainly not by the graduation rates of HS seniors. Certainly not by the need to re-center SAT and ACT scores "upward" over time.
By what metric would you conclude that Americans are largely surviving in the real world? By what reasoning would you lay that at the foot of the effectiveness of public school?
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Trafik Jamz;264540 wrote:
This guychuck...you must have a laptop and spend alot of time on the toilet!
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And here is an example of why government-controlled education is a bad idea.
There are people, who, in a thread about education and its relationship to the state, can only contribute the following [paraphrased]
"Reading is hard"
And yet when it comes to deciding who shall teach your children, what they shall be taught, and the manner of their instruction, our votes count equally.
Lest you surmise I fancy myself some member of a ruling class, which I did profess to hate elsewhere, I beleive it is important that the government counts votes equally.
The other side of that coin, however, is that very little actually be put to the public or to vote. In as many cases as possible, men should decide as individuals what is right for themselves and themselves only.
Or would you prefer *society *also had a *vote *in where you worked or whom you married?
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if you make it mandatory for a person to go through school until they turn 18..... and if that gives said person .00001% chance of doing something better with their life, and not leach off of welfare and other government programs... then it sounds like a fantastic idea to me... why the fuck should i have to pay for some fucktard that couldn't handle high school?
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On a more serious note: I think that the simple fact that there are people like Chuck, Thrash and Dave out there debating and questioning each other and the way things are. Makes me a little happier.
Do I think that this bill will work for its intended purpose? no.
Do I think that everyone should be as well educated as they can be? yes.Maybe rather than mandatory highschool enrollment, they make you attend a school, including trade schools, colleges, or even involved in a apprenticeship.
I know that I spent a great deal of highschool time at MSUM earning myself college credits.
I also know many people who would have been better off outside of MHS and in, say, an autobody class or maybe learning a trade from someone who knew what they were doing.
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In japan i believe that they have a program that you get more specific schooling for your chosen field when you are in highschool, and then less years of college. Correct me someone if im wrong.
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Colin;264574 wrote:
I slept with more student teachers than you did.Then I also graduated.
me= 2 you = 1
Simple math shows that 2 > 1. I accomplished more.:icon_cheers:
lol
That's extra curricular so it doesn't count.:icon_tongue:
Sterling Archer: Oh my god! You killed a hooker!
Cyril Figgis: Call girl!
Sterling Archer: No Cyril! When they're dead they're just hookers!
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+1 for student teachers
learning was never as much funbesides, how mad would you be if you instead of looking at sloots all day you had to spend it with your mom in your kitchen going over differential equations? NO THANKS! ill take open campus lunches with friends, having a good time between classes at lockers, and raping the fat kids in flag football any day.
im not going to be a rocket scientist but i am graduating from college. i can also say that i dont regret my childhood or the way my parents raised me. take that into consideration when deciding to home school your children.
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