Anybody knowledgable with painting a home wall with a roller?
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Jim;277737 wrote:
You should try doing 2 coats, with like a 15-20 minute drying time inbetween instead of waiting the hour or two...Maybe somebody else can chime in...
I tried this on the basement the day after fighting with the upstairs. Similar result.
Trafik Jamz;277740 wrote:
I'd have to agree with Jim on this. 2 coats w/ a less dry time (and maybe try and not do the "W" pattern of the 2nd coat following the same line as the "W" of the 1st coat...hard to do, I know)Also, the paint might cure and get rid of the blotches over a few days...if you have time/patience you might just want to wait it out.
I thought the same thing (as far as curing), but that was painted last weekend. As for the "W", I did change area's for the "W" with different coats, but the last coat always showed up like in the picture.
Colin;277741 wrote:
i have painted many a wall, and I would say that your results look a lot like what happens when a glossy-er paint is applied over less glossy base with some uneven rolling. If i were you, I would wait a day to see if it cures like chuck said, if not then go over the whole things in a V pattern with more paint than usual on your roller to apply a single "heavy" coat. just under the "smearing" amount of paint.PS: sometimes its actually minor dips etc in your sheet rock that cause odd light reflections with semi-gloss paints. a flat paint might solve this.
This paint is an eggshell, and is fairly flat...I have waited since last weekend hoping for a 'cure' and no help. I may try the heavy 'V' pattern, but I first want to see if someone posts that is very experienced (ie - did/does it for a living), and can tell me for certain what I did wrong.
Also, throughout the coats, the splotchy areas changed, eliminating the waves to a wall (Again, something I tried to tell myself was happening haha)
Colin;277742 wrote:
If you want help i'm around this weekend.Thank you very much for the information and offer to help. The house won't be officially done being built until the 19th of June (closing day). So it will be a few weeks yet before I can even get in there to fix it (They allow you to go in before the trim/cabinets/flooring is installed to do some accent painting....but only for one weekend...which was last weekend). If I don't find someone that can tell me "Do this, and stop doing this, and that will fix your issue", I may just hire a painter. I loath the look as of right now.....quick way to ruin a brand new home 'feel'.
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I've just painted a few times in my own house, so i'm no expert... but what i've found is that if you are using a gloss or semi-gloss paint, you will need to keep more paint in the roller compared to using a flat paint. hard to tell from the pics, but the paint looks like a semi-gloss. try keeping the roller more saturated with paint and use less pressure. Your mileage may vary.
DaveH
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Did you use a primer? Did you stir/shake the paint really well? There is a lot of pigment in the dark colors and if it is not fully mixed it could be a problem. If you did, it looks like the splotchy areas are where your roller ran dry. Professional painters usually have their rollers soaked with paint like Colin said. Rolling in a vertical W or V pattern up and down is the way the professionals do it. Don't let the roller run dry. Keep it saturated with paint. I have seen some bad paint before, but that rarely happens.
The other problem is the fact that there is natural light washing down the wall. This is always a problem on projects and wall/drywall finishes. It shows all mistakes and imperfections, compounded by a dark color.
I do think that if you have done everything correctly (ie. primer, well mixed, right roller) that a heavy continuous coat should do the trick. I am not a professional painter, but I have worked on many construction projects with professionals and had to deal with problems like yours. My painting experience is more than 10 houses. If you want to talk to a professional, I can give you some contacts.
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RE-Enema;277829 wrote:
Did you use a primer? Did you stir/shake the paint really well? There is a lot of pigment in the dark colors and if it is not fully mixed it could be a problem. If you did, it looks like the splotchy areas are where your roller ran dry. Professional painters usually have their rollers soaked with paint like Colin said. Rolling in a vertical W or V pattern up and down is the way the professionals do it. Don't let the roller run dry. Keep it saturated with paint. I have seen some bad paint before, but that rarely happens.The other problem is the fact that there is natural light washing down the wall. This is always a problem on projects and wall/drywall finishes. It shows all mistakes and imperfections, compounded by a dark color.
I do think that if you have done everything correctly (ie. primer, well mixed, right roller) that a heavy continuous coat should do the trick. I am not a professional painter, but I have worked on many construction projects with professionals and had to deal with problems like yours. My painting experience is more than 10 houses. If you want to talk to a professional, I can give you some contacts.
He's got some layers of paint down now though, I would think he would be able to as you said, apply a couple new coats of paint, making sure that the roller stays wet, and a small drying time. I think the trick is to use more paint then you think you need on the brush / roller and the technique is to apply it to the point just before getting paint runs...
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I agree Jim, but there is some missing info to rule out other problems. I am assuming that everthing prior to applying the paint was done correctly, but I still have to ask the question. You would be amazed at the things I have seen "professionals" forget or not do. I am not saying that he did this, but without all the information, I can only make a best guess.
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How many coats of primer did you use? Looks to me like the sheetrock just soaked up more paint in some spots than others..
then again, it could be the way they put the texture on the wall..
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The home builder primes and paints the whole house one color, then they allow you to go in and paint walls accent colors/whatever before the flooring/trim/cabinets go in (which I did last weekend, and won't have access to it now until closing on June 19th). So I painted over their primer and 'standard' color, and all the other walls that I didn't paint over look great, so I'd assume it was primered, and correctly.
I think my error is in the fact that when I used the roller, I would roll roll roll until the roller was left with zero paint. I would paint a ~4' x 4' area until the roller ran out, then go over everything after roller was dry to smooth it out...I am assuming that is wrong. I should go until the roller is starting to thin out, then apply more paint to the roller and keep doing that until I have the wall covered, then go over the whole wall to smooth out?
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FG2;277842 wrote:
The home builder primes and paints the whole house one color, then they allow you to go in and paint walls accent colors/whatever before the flooring/trim/cabinets go in (which I did last weekend, and won't have access to it now until closing on June 19th). So I painted over their primer and 'standard' color, and all the other walls that I didn't paint over look great, so I'd assume it was primered, and correctly.I think my error is in the fact that when I used the roller, I would roll roll roll until the roller was left with zero paint. I would paint a ~4' x 4' area until the roller ran out, then go over everything after roller was dry to smooth it out...I am assuming that is wrong. I should go until the roller is starting to thin out, then apply more paint to the roller and keep doing that until I have the wall covered, then go over the whole wall to smooth out?
Don't run the roller dry, keep it fairly wet all the time. I've never gone over the whole wall afterward.
DaveH
'94 Supra- 7.77 @ 176mph -
Thanks for the help guys. I just called Peterson Paint as well, and they said the same thing. Just do vertical swipes of WET roller (avoiding any lines), then rewet roller and move over a bit (overlap 2-3") and do it again. He also said don't 'go back over the wall'. I will apply a liberal coat and see where it leads me, and if I still struggle, I will bite the bullet and hire someone.
Thanks to all for the helpful information. I think this is the first thread for help I have seen that didn't turn into a 5 page disaster
Take Care!
Jason
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from all the painting I have done in my houses I always keep the roller wet and only go up and down....the "W" never worked for me...and never go over a area again after you have already painted it unless u need to remove a line and if so use very little pressure on the roller
if you are cutting in the corners or another wall you want to cut with a heavy enough coat and then roll into the cut while still wet...its hard to do if only one person is painting
POWERD BY
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Some of the painters will throw their roller cover in the bucket of paint to let it soak. When they are done painting they will put the cover back into the paint and leave it in there until they need it again. Usually they are using 5gallon buckets. It might be hard to do with a 1gallon bucket.
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Raider;277849 wrote:
from all the painting I have done in my houses I always keep the roller wet and only go up and down....the "W" never worked for me...and never go over a area again after you have already painted it unless u need to remove a line and if so use very little pressure on the rollerif you are cutting in the corners or another wall you want to cut with a heavy enough coat and then roll into the cut while still wet...its hard to do if only one person is painting
I would have done the up and down method from the get go, but I was told NOT too....Then I ask around from here to Peterson Paint, and the info I got, was bad. W didn't work for me either (obviously). Thanks for your help. I did figure out how to remove the brush strokes with the roller on my own (WOOT). Thanks for the time and help!
RE-Enema;277855 wrote:
Some of the painters will throw their roller cover in the bucket of paint to let it soak. When they are done painting they will put the cover back into the paint and leave it in there until they need it again. Usually they are using 5gallon buckets. It might be hard to do with a 1gallon bucket.So they obviously get it soaked to the core with paint. I will try this method in the tray (let it sit for a few minutes one way, then rotate, then apply). Thanks as well!
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Instead of using a tray it is much easier to use a 5 gallon bucket and a paitners grate that hangs from the bucket. Pour around a 1/2 to 3/4 of a gallon into the bucket and then just spin the roller into the paint to dip it, you can put more if your need too but a 1/4 gallon is about the minimum needed. Then use the grate to roll off some of the excess, the grate also helps to evenly spread the paint on the roller surface. Like most of the other advise that has been given earleir keep the roller pretty wet and don't try to use every bit of paint on the roller. What I like to do is get the roller plenty wet to the point of almost dripping and roll out a little square with it pretty thick to get the excess of then just use the paint on that thick square to "roll out" some more of the wall until the roller starts to dry a little then dip again. It takes some getting used to but once you get the hang of it things go by pretty quickly and you tend to get some pretty good results. You can also just use a straght up and down technique which for someone just starting out works probably best. When you are done with one coat you should dip the crap out of the roller and hang it from the grate, then wrap the bucket in a garbage bag and tie it of. With it in the bag like that you can let it sit overnight or longer if needed. Take my advise as you will, but I painted at UND for 2 summers and can't begin to tell you how many rooms I rolled out. I'm no expert by any means as there are many guys that will run circles around me. Hope this helps.
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