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ichibankilla

Hey, I'm still here! Imagine that.

SmitEvo

ichibankilla;279714 wrote:
Hey, I'm still here! Imagine that.

George Carlin isnt though...funny. :icon_rr:

SPANISH-RICE

And ill recap, im not saying a "god" doesnt exist. Im a firm believer that a higher power does exist. But "picking" a religion and living your life only by it is the most pointless guessing game you can play. Either wau supposedly millions of you will be going to hell for something anyway

SPANISH-RICE

smitevo;279712 wrote:
let me put it simple for you:

Islam and christianity broke off of judiasm....they all worship in the same god and all three believe in jesus. Only the other two just believe jesus was a prophet and not savior. So basically they are all worshipping the same god and each has their own path through faith.

now ill be the first to admit i didnt know something in a religious argument gasp. But i was not aware that islam was also part of judiasm, i never really studied into it.

PSiedTSi

Religions can easily be likened to worship of the stars/sun(or "heavens"). I used to be religious, then agnostic. The evidence of any sort of life elsewhere pretty much ices the religious debate in my mind. If you don't believe evolution, you better open a science book, religious person or not. It is a FACT that evolution is true. Things ARE still evolving today, no one said evolution happened overnight(viruses and bacteria evolve with each strain). Altho(gonna lose most of you here), some speculate that we were genetically manipulated by other intelligent civilizations in the universe. They use the lack of evidence of the so called "missing link" between apes and man. They have proof of a hairless upright walking ape walking in Africa something like 10 million years ago, that's about the closest to the missing link we have come. Some also say that religion is based on "people in the sky" or early extraterrestrial visitors. There are cave drawings and figures of space ships, "astronauts", etc from ancient times.

SmitEvo

What is set in motion, must be put in motion...

PSiedTSi

SmitEvo;279726 wrote:
What is set in motion, must be put in motion...

What exactly are you saying by this? The universe had to be created by "someone"?

Trafik Jamz

ichibankilla;279713 wrote:
Ah! The old, I'm right because you can't prove god exists theory vs. the I'm right because you can't prove god doesn't exist theory.

Now, as the late great George Carlin stated. "If there really is a god may he strike me down right hear where I stand!"

Actually, the quote was "If there is a God, may he strike this audience dead!"

SPANISH-RICE

PSiedTSi;279727 wrote:
What exactly are you saying by this? The universe had to be created by "someone"?

Then where would that "someone" have come from?

Trafik Jamz

I, like many of the above, believe in a higher power, just not necessarily the stories of the bible/quran/etc... at least not literally. Do I think the bible is a great book in which to live your life by? For the most part, yes. But to take everything literally is taking things a bit too far.

For example, many anti-gay people quote the bible (or more specifically Leviticus) as saying homosexuality is an abomination (see below).....

***"You shall not lie with a male as with a woman. It is an abomination." (Leviticus 18:22)

"If a man lie with a male as he lies with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination. They shall surely be put to death. Their blood shall be upon them." (Leviticus 20:13)***

what they tend to gloss over is the rest of Leviticus that spells out many other abominations such as:

"For everyone who curses his father or his mother shall surely be put to death. He has cursed his father or his mother. His blood shall be upon him." (Leviticus 20:9)

"If a man lies with a woman during her sickness and uncovers her nakedness, he has discovered her flow, and she has uncovered the flow of her blood. Both of them shall be cut off from her people." (Leviticus 20:18)

"Your male and female slaves are to come from the nations around you; from them you may buy slaves. You may also buy some of the temporary residents living among you and members of their clans born in your country, and they will become your property." (Leviticus 25:44-45)

"Do not cut the hair at the sides of your head or clip off the edges of your beard." (Leviticus 19:27)

"...and the swine, though it divides the hoof, having cloven hooves, yet does not chew the cud, is unclean to you." (Leviticus 11:7)

"...do not plant your field with two kinds of seed. Do not wear material woven of two kinds of material." (Leviticus 19:19)

***"But all in the seas or in the rivers that do not have fins and scales, all that move in the water or any living thing which is in the water, they are an abomination to you." (Leviticus 11:10)

"They (shellfish) shall be an abomination to you; you shall not eat their flesh, but you shall regard their carcasses as an abomination." (Leviticus 11:11)

"Whatever in the water does not have fins or scales; that shall be an abomination to you." (Leviticus 11:12)***

Anyone see how the trend that people only pick/choose what they want to believe in from the bible? I'm pretty sure that all of us have done some of the abominable things spelled out in Leviticus.

So in recapping, the rules/guidelines set forth by religion are (generally) good guidelines to live by....even though the book itself is flawed and not practiced fully by any of the religions that follow it.

SmitEvo

Trafik Jamz;279735 wrote:
I, like many of the above, believe in a higher power, just not necessarily the stories of the bible/quran/etc... at least not literally. Do I think the bible is a great book in which to live your life by? For the most part, yes. But to take everything literally is taking things a bit too far.

For example, many anti-gay people quote the bible (or more specifically Leviticus) as saying homosexuality is an abomination (see below).....

"You shall not lie with a male as with a woman. It is an abomination." (Leviticus 18:22)

"If a man lie with a male as he lies with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination. They shall surely be put to death. Their blood shall be upon them." (Leviticus 20:13)

what they tend to gloss over is the rest of Leviticus that spells out many other abominations such as:

"For everyone who curses his father or his mother shall surely be put to death. He has cursed his father or his mother. His blood shall be upon him." (Leviticus 20:9)

"If a man lies with a woman during her sickness and uncovers her nakedness, he has discovered her flow, and she has uncovered the flow of her blood. Both of them shall be cut off from her people." (Leviticus 20:18)

"Your male and female slaves are to come from the nations around you; from them you may buy slaves. You may also buy some of the temporary residents living among you and members of their clans born in your country, and they will become your property." (Leviticus 25:44-45)

"Do not cut the hair at the sides of your head or clip off the edges of your beard." (Leviticus 19:27)

"...and the swine, though it divides the hoof, having cloven hooves, yet does not chew the cud, is unclean to you." (Leviticus 11:7)

"...do not plant your field with two kinds of seed. Do not wear material woven of two kinds of material." (Leviticus 19:19)

"But all in the seas or in the rivers that do not have fins and scales, all that move in the water or any living thing which is in the water, they are an abomination to you." (Leviticus 11:10)

"They (shellfish) shall be an abomination to you; you shall not eat their flesh, but you shall regard their carcasses as an abomination." (Leviticus 11:11)

"Whatever in the water does not have fins or scales; that shall be an abomination to you." (Leviticus 11:12)

Anyone see how the trend that people only pick/choose what they want to believe in from the bible? I'm pretty sure that all of us have done some of the abominable things spelled out in Leviticus.

So in recapping, the rules/guidelines set forth by religion are (generally) good guidelines to live by....even though the book itself is flawed and not practiced fully by any of the religions that follow it.

Yep...old testament stuff. Better follow that to a T. Then the new testament came around and does not state all of those things. The new way for Christians is through Jesus.

Trafik Jamz

So why keep it in the bible then?

Trafik Jamz

Other than the fact that it has more "direct quotes" from God than any other chapter of the bible....new or old testament

SmitEvo

Trafik Jamz;279738 wrote:
Other than the fact that it has more "direct quotes" from God than any other chapter of the bible....new or old testament

Didnt think the words of Jesus' mouth wouldnt be a direct quote from God himself...:icon_scratch:

Rexwagon

how did this turn into a religous debate weather god is real or not? lol

SPANISH-RICE

rexwagon;279742 wrote:
how did this turn into a religous debate weather god is real or not? Lol

being as the thread was a video about a relgion taking over?

SmitEvo

SPANISH-RICE;279745 wrote:
being as the thread was a video about a relgion taking over?

Jihad!!!

SPANISH-RICE

if you declare jihad on me you better be ready to bring it. i've fought holyer wars than this

....infidel

inspector01

Organized religion is a joke, what has it gotten us, wars, killing in the name of, abusing kids, creating hate & intolerance, etc....

I love people who say your life most suck to not have religion, its better than just following what you are told (by people like priests who abuse kids, or have started wars because someone had a different belief).

I'm not religious, but I've got beliefs.

PSiedTSi

SPANISH-RICE;279732 wrote:
Then where would that "someone" have come from?

Exactly why I don't consider myself agnostic. I guess I am "atheist", because I'm not entirely sure what "higher power" there would even be, other than another intelligent civilization being the catalyst. I just personally think a lot is fueled simply by nature, which could be that higher power?

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