2010 m3 gts..wow
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I agree w/ Eurofan on so many fronts on this. Now, I'm not saying every Mercedes/BMW/Audi/etc.. is unbelievably cool/fast/whatever, but (generally speaking) they do have an advantage over many of the japanese cars that were talked about in that they are not wrong wheel drive (aka FWD), but are instead RWD/AWD a lot of the time.
Yes, the S2K, Miata, WRX/STi, Evo, Genesis, etc... are great cars and probably even better around the track than similarly priced German cars, but you can't really argue that even a base 3 series won't outperform a base Civic/Accord/Camry and probably even IS300 (which is the closest of the group to being in the same category as a 3 series). But we are comparing to apples to sasquatches at that point as they really aren't on the same playing field....in fact Japan (for the most part) doesn't really even have a luxury sport car to compete with the M3 that I can think of (and I'm sure I probably forgot some which will be pointed out to me).
I think that is what Eurofan and thrash were talking about.
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Eurofan;293650 wrote:
Ooo hehhahahehhehehehahhaha.Honda. Lol
Honda ROFL
Honda LMAO
Yeah, come over here w/ your STOCK Honda and we will talk.
Ill pass on racing any highly modified pop cans
I have a bone stock pop can (aside from coilovers) that you are welcome to race
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Eurofan;293650 wrote:
Ooo hehhahahehhehehehahhaha.Honda. Lol
Honda ROFL
Honda LMAO
Yeah, come over here w/ your STOCK Honda and we will talk.
Ill pass on racing any highly modified pop cans
Well how about your BMW against me in my s2000 at the auto-x? we can see who will win. My car is 100% stock.
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Trafik Jamz;293653 wrote:
I agree w/ Eurofan on so many fronts on this. Now, I'm not saying every Mercedes/BMW/Audi/etc.. is unbelievably cool/fast/whatever, but (generally speaking) they do have an advantage over many of the japanese cars that were talked about in that they are not wrong wheel drive (aka FWD), but are instead RWD/AWD a lot of the time.Yes, the S2K, Miata, WRX/STi, Evo, Genesis, etc... are great cars and probably even better around the track than similarly priced German cars, but you can't really argue that even a base 3 series won't outperform a base Civic/Accord/Camry and probably even IS300 (which is the closest of the group to being in the same category as a 3 series). But we are comparing to apples to sasquatches at that point as they really aren't on the same playing field....in fact Japan (for the most part) doesn't really even have a luxury sport car to compete with the M3 that I can think of (and I'm sure I probably forgot some which will be pointed out to me).
I think that is what Eurofan and thrash were talking about.
Thank you.
I am not trying to be a "Tooshed" "Eurodouche"But honestly admit it... They are faster cars from the factory.
+1 on the comparing apples and oranges. So true
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Eurofan;293671 wrote:
+1 on the comparing apples and oranges. So truewhy did you even embark on this journey if you knew you were being a toolshed comparing apples to oranges?
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Eurofan;293607 wrote:
There is no denying that. But like I said before... For every ZR1, GTR, and CTS-V there are 15 german cars that can do it just as good...Can you name these 15 german cars?
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I agree w/ Tin here, waiting for 15 german cars that can keep the pace in stock format with a GTR or ZR1....at any price point
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can we make both of these guys our official "fargostreet euro toolshed douchebags"? like a special edition rainbow avatar or something?
its obvious none of us are going to change the other ones mind. even though your arguments are funny because you never come up with factual numbers about how the majority of street driven euro cars would stomp street driven jdm cars.(which is exactly what you said to start thsi whole thing).. you just keep arguing and using your opinion. this is pointless and i cant handle debating with someone who doesn't know how.
here a psht, there psht, everywhere a psht psht
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ihaveaids;293652 wrote:
Who the hell races stock cars anyways?Bingo, that is the finishing touch right there. People with BMW's, Porches, etc do. With the exception of the mazda miata, which has its own weekend racing series, there really isn't many people racing stock Japanese cars. Putting in safety gear does not count as modifying. Think maybe there is a reason for that? I have kinda been sitting on the fence this whole thread and both sides have a point, since like the miata there are exceptions. I tried to guide the arguements into specifics since I can't really multitask on my blackberry very well. Concentrating on two manufacturers and their respective model lineup can make this go a lot faster.
Nissan vs BMW
Maxima vs 5 series
And yes the maxima costs less than a 5 series, but with Nissans new "four door sports car" advertising they are trying to compete directly with the bimmer. Pretty sure the 5 series is the better car here especially on the track.
370Z vs 1 series
All the reviews I have read comparing the two have the Z as the faster car
Altima vs 3 series
Umm no comparison as far as track manners are concerned.
Mini vs Sentra
Lmfao one is fun and cute the other is a breadbox with wheels
I tried to match up similar cars in the case of the Z and the 1 series they are actually pretty closely priced, that being said however it comes out 3 to 1 BMW. Hardly an every euro is better situation and in the case of the two door sporty/reasonably priced car category, IMO the one that matters most, the Germans fell short. -
SPANISH-RICE;293682 wrote:
can we make both of these guys our official "fargostreet euro toolshed douchebags"? like a special edition rainbow avatar or something?its obvious none of us are going to change the other ones mind. even though your arguments are funny because you never come up with factual numbers about how the majority of street driven euro cars would stomp street driven jdm cars.(which is exactly what you said to start thsi whole thing).. you just keep arguing and using your opinion. this is pointless and i cant handle debating with someone who doesn't know how.
Raibow avatars are for subaru driving fags only...
capitlj;293687 wrote:
Bingo, that is the finishing touch right there. People with BMW's, Porches, etc do. With the exception of the mazda miata, which has its own weekend racing series, there really isn't many people racing stock Japanese cars. Putting in safety gear does not count as modifying. Think maybe there is a reason for that? I have kinda been sitting on the fence this whole thread and both sides have a point, since like the miata there are exceptions. I tried to guide the arguements into specifics since I can't really multitask on my blackberry very well. Concentrating on two manufacturers and their respective model lineup can make this go a lot faster.
Nissan vs BMW
Maxima vs 5 series
And yes the maxima costs less than a 5 series, but with Nissans new "four door sports car" advertising they are trying to compete directly with the bimmer. Pretty sure the 5 series is the better car here especially on the track.
370Z vs 1 series
All the reviews I have read comparing the two have the Z as the faster car
Altima vs 3 series
Umm no comparison as far as track manners are concerned.
Mini vs Sentra
Lmfao one is fun and cute the other is a breadbox with wheels
I tried to match up similar cars in the case of the Z and the 1 series they are actually pretty closely priced, that being said however it comes out 3 to 1 BMW. Hardly an every euro is better situation and in the case of the two door sporty/reasonably priced car category, IMO the one that matters most, the Germans fell short.Most of your comparision is FWD cars from one company and RWD from another... not exactly a very good comparison there either...
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SPANISH-RICE;293682 wrote:
can we make both of these guys our official "fargostreet euro toolshed douchebags"? like a special edition rainbow avatar or something?its obvious none of us are going to change the other ones mind. even though your arguments are funny because you never come up with factual numbers about how the majority of street driven euro cars would stomp street driven jdm cars.(which is exactly what you said to start thsi whole thing).. you just keep arguing and using your opinion. this is pointless and i cant handle debating with someone who doesn't know how.
how do i earn my euro toolshed douchebag badge?
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