Obama / Democrats
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amicheze;315792 wrote:
Your math is assuming that every dollar spent goes directly to labor and labor only. That would be completely ridiculous. I sure hope that you don't consider yourself a "better at math" Republican.that was my point. the rest of the money is getting wasted.
the government is going to steal 30 billion from the kinds of people who create jobs -- enough money that the private sector could have created 700,000 jobs paying 42k/year.but you already concede that any jobs created with this money won't pay that much, and i think nobody beleives that 700k jobs will be "Created" as a result of this action.
So what's your solution to the economy? Let's see a full plan of action.
Step 0: plug the leaks.
Stop as much federal spending as possible as soon as possible. The eastiest most politically expedient thing to do here is to stop war spending by stopping the wars in a hurry. Remove federal programs and expenditures, prioritized in reverse order of financial/societal displacement on the largest numbers of people. I.e. kill a program that only helps 150 people a little, dont mess with social security because everybody depends on it a lot.Step 1: stabilize the government participation in the economy. 30 billion here and there isn't going to get people to hire again. Business people need to PLAN for the future, otherwise they cannot invest appropriately. Since Obama took office the entire world has been turned upside down. Hiring people costs more money (e.g. the health care law), taxes are much higher, and are going to continue to get higher. Nobody knows who is going to get bailed out next, so people are waiting to see what the government does. It's like a bull in a china shop and the private sector is paralyzed.
So that shit has to stop and the dust has to settle. The government must try and regain credibility with business owners and investors -- that is the only way the economy grows and jobs get created.
Step 2: With things stabilized, begin the drawdown of government manipulation in the market place, and continue cutting federal spending, this time being more invasive in terms of cutting things that will affect people. As the economy gains the ability to absorb labor, more support programs can be re-worked. As the economy begins to recover, surgical cuts can slowly be made here and there to make business owners even MORE free of government red tape.
Step 3: de-criminalize the use of alternative currencies within the united states; eliminate rules and policies (like secret service raids) that dissaude people from using alternatives to the US dollar. The dollar is toxic, and it is sitting on a mountain of lies and manipulation. But society needs to have alternatives to use while the dollar sorts itself out. It may be that there is actually still gold left in Fort Knox, and the dollar can re-establish a stable value. During this time the manipulation and corruption within the federal reserve needs to be examined and healed. But this has to happen slowly so the dollar doesn't collapse over nite. People need stability while the damage works itself out of the system.
Step 4: The federal reserve should be eliminated, and private banks should NOT have the ability to create some of the paper (electronic) instruments they create. The plain truth here is that I am not well versed enough in all of the crazy shit that goes on in wall street to see the root cause and to most cleverly detassle it. But the key issue is that wall street folks are making paper money off of paper money and creating hypothetical currency bubbles. This is inflation, and the power to inflate fiat money that we are legally required to use should never have been delegated to private actors -- namely the bankers and wallstreet and their close cousins, the federal reserve banks.
The financial industry in the US used to be a means to end -- bankrolling legitimate productive activity. But now it is its own end, and as we saw, it has the power to cause the US to default on its soverignty. Any situation where there is private profit and socialized risk (i.e. tax payer bailouts) should be eliminated.
Goal:
The goal is that the federal government is much smaller and does much less. States have more power, and people have even more power still. States and people keep more of their money, and their money isn't necessarily US dollars, and certainly isn't US dollars in the way we think of them today.The dollar has been changed 3 or 4 times since the early 20th century (mostly shifting from full gold convertability to fully-fiat based)... its not radical or crazy to suggest that we can change it again.
THe fact of the matter is this: the two biggest problems in the economy are irresponsible creation of debt instruments, and unpredictable government intervention. The two combine together to make people hesitant to spend "real" money, but eager to spend borowed money irresponsibly. THat's what has gotten us in this mess.
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~Extend Bush's tax cuts
~Close tax loophole making it cheaper to outsource vs. use American labor
~Impose HEAVY fines, and more, on any company found employing illegal immigrants
~Deal with the Fed. If you feel up to it, go do some research on inflation figures pre/post Fed. The dollar held its value fairly stead up until the creation of the fed, then upon the creation of the fed, inflation has made the value of a dollar drop to about .01 of what it was back in 1920.
~Get rid of Obamacare
~Stop wasting money on a stimulus that won't do anything. It's simple, proven, well known economics that a taxpayer funded stimulus just makes those who have money (businesses and the wealthier) stash it away where it can't be touched...rather than...investing it and hiring new workers! And Obama said we MUST pass that stimulus to prevent unemployment from hitting %10+. Looks like that turned out well lolHaven't you ever noticed how everything the Federal Government gets involved with ends up going bankrupt and is embarrassingly inefficient? It's because it has no need to run efficiently and money is not an object to it. Federal programs are some of the most corrupt establishments in the country and this corruption and inefficiency leads to inflation because the Fed just ends up printing more money for the Government, injecting worthless green paper into the economy and driving down the value per dollar in the process. A large portion of the problems we face are BECAUSE of the Government.
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thrash;315786 wrote:
What's an example of an "extreme right wing" bill that you'd want veto'd ?What does "extreme right wing" mean to you ?
Any bill that tries to regulate morality (censorship, drug laws...things of that nature) and try to enforce the views of a church/religion on a diverse group of "free" people.
I'm sure there are others that I can think of if I put my mind to it, but the above were immediate off the top of my head type ideas that I would be against (in most cases...I'm sure there are exceptions there as well).
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Grr;315766 wrote:
WOW, your view on politics is so warped and uninformed its not even funny. You sir have no real clue about the principles that made this country what it is, and Stewart/colbert is news??? What a fucking retard dude, you are the reason this country is going to shitAnd ill take that insult into cooperation....now say u wanna.go toe to toe in bird law and see who comes out the victor....
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Good thing the Democrats have a plan to allow Nobama to shut down parts of the internet in case of "emergency".
http://www.prisonplanet.com/big-sis-to-get-expanded-role-in-policing-internet.html
Two cybersecurity bills that would hand President Obama the power to shut down parts of the Internet in the event of a national emergency have now been merged into a single unified piece of legislation that Democrats will try to pass before the end of the year, with the Department of Homeland Security being given a larger role in policing the world wide web.
Under the new draft bill, which is a combination of the two versions originally crafted by Senators Joe Lieberman and Jay Rockefeller, Janet Napolitano’s DHS will be handed broader authority to determine how to handle potential cybersecurity threats.
“DHS will get expanded authorities. I think that’s clear,” said James Lewis, a cybersecurity expert with think tank Center for Strategic and International Studies, who has studied the new bill.
An expanded role for Homeland Security would be somewhat ironic given the fact that the DHS itself recently failed an extensive cyber-security audit conducted by the agency’s own Inspector General.
“The DHS US-CERT office is currently plagued by at least 600 vulnerabilities that could compromise sensitive data, including 202 which have been classified as high-risk,” reported TG Daily.
Homeland Security’s failure to adequately secure its own internal network will lead to questions about why the agency should be given vast new authority to secure America’s cyber assets and the public Internet.
Democrats want to get the bill passed within the next four weeks, although “sticking points” could delay the legislation, according to a Senate aide familiar with the bill. However, lawmakers are determined to put the package up for a vote before the end of the year. -
Trafik Jamz;315817 wrote:
Any bill that tries to regulate morality (censorship, drug laws...things of that nature) and try to enforce the views of a church/religion on a diverse group of "free" people.
You mean stuff like abortion laws, suicide laws, smoking bans, prostitution, gun bans, and the like? Except for suicide (and abortion, to some degree), none of those are moral issues, they're all control issues. -
ya fuck you keep watching glen beck and fox news your fucking mindless sheep
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the one...the only...flamer that goes against the grain....i must admit i do come back from time to time and input my opinion...
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burnteclipse;320435 wrote:
the one...the only...flamer that goes against the grain....i must admit i do come back from time to time and input my opinion...are u proud of being one of the few brainwashed ppl left that haven't realized how shitty obama is yet? if so i'm really sorry
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burnteclipse;320435 wrote:
the one...the only...flamer that goes against the grain....i must admit i do come back from time to time and input my opinion...You said it. Judging by your posts I'm inclined to agree with you being a flamer. Maybe a cock smoker too.
I'm glad you enjoy your hope and change.... Fuck Obama and the retards that voted for him. :icon_shaking:
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Goodnbuzzd;320577 wrote:
I'm glad you enjoy your hope and change.... Fuck Obama and the retards that voted for him. :icon_shaking:yea, all 64 million of you can go to hell.
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Sterling Archer: Oh my god! You killed a hooker!
Cyril Figgis: Call girl!
Sterling Archer: No Cyril! When they're dead they're just hookers!
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okay so i admit i may be a troll on this site...honestly im a pretty decent guy with moderate views....but this whole political debate seems strung out...i mean honestly those of you "hate obama"....what about your everyday life has changed, really?...taxes? unlikely...im willing to bet not alot of avid posters on this site make enough money to to really see a difference in that..(i have no experience with business taxes, so i am not nieve to there being a difference there)...this is not three years in the making. I posted something about bitter republicans and was torn apart...is it really that far from the truth? explain to me why a bill for 9/11 service workers benefits was passed on by republicans?...i may be misinformed so enlighten me...where does every "well informed" poster on this site get there unbias perspective...and please dont be a link to fox news or a glen beck donation site....
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If you really want to know the probs that the R's had with HR 847,scoot down to the "additional information/member concerns".
http://www.gop.gov/bill/111/2/hr847
Nobody has "unbiased" perspective... the definition of "perspective" includes your bias.
burnteclipse;320714 wrote:
okay so i admit i may be a troll on this site...honestly im a pretty decent guy with moderate views....but this whole political debate seems strung out...i mean honestly those of you "hate obama"....what about your everyday life has changed, really?...taxes? unlikely...im willing to bet not alot of avid posters on this site make enough money to to really see a difference in that..(i have no experience with business taxes, so i am not nieve to there being a difference there)...this is not three years in the making. I posted something about bitter republicans and was torn apart...is it really that far from the truth? explain to me why a bill for 9/11 service workers benefits was passed on by republicans?...i may be misinformed so enlighten me...where does every "well informed" poster on this site get there unbias perspective...and please dont be a link to fox news or a glen beck donation site....DaveH
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