Ron Paul 2012
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Rexwagon;322851 wrote:
here we gomoderation bro. the problem with america is the lack of attention span. look how fast obama's approval rating went from "socialist d-bag" to like 60%.
wht you think is important is different than the guy next to you. the worst part is that neither of you will feel it is important next week because there will be a new disaster unfolding.
we have been focusing on more important things for the last twenty years. look at the education, social security,and healtcare system. nobody deals with it because there are more important things going on. deciding that nobody needs to learn how to be creative and use their imagination, spend an hour in gym class, or speak a foreign language is just another thing that is going to come back and bite america in the ass. nevermind the future intellectual climate of this country, though, because gas is getting pricey.
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Does it really matter? Who ever is elected these days, everyone's regretting their decision before the term is over
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Kossick;322855 wrote:
I'm not one for politics but Mitch has my write in voteyou just made a lot of enemies
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Bassplayer;322844 wrote:
Take a look at what he's done for his congressional district in texas, and then tell me you want him for president... I hate talking politics online but I agree he has a great plan for the country, sadly he has shown in Texas that he can't even make things happen at the small scale level (he has brought zero funding into his district over his past term). That being said, I have no fucking clue yet who I'll vote for, but being a musician funding for the arts is extremely important to me.The people in his district love him and keep re-electing him. Is it beyond your consideration that perhaps they don't see the job of their congressman to bring home the bacon, but to actually represent their views on small, fiscally responsible government and work to create that in DC?
Show me where in the constitution it says "take money from people and fund artists" ?
If we keep running 1.5-2 trillion dollar defecits, where is your "fund the arts" money going to come after the dollar collapses?
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thrash;322859 wrote:
The people in his district love him and keep re-electing him. Is it beyond your consideration that perhaps they don't see the job of their congressman to bring home the bacon, but to actually represent their views on small, fiscally responsible government and work to create that in DC?Show me where in the constitution it says "take money from people and fund artists" ?
If we keep running 1.5-2 trillion dollar defecits, where is your "fund the arts" money going to come after the dollar collapses?
well said
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thrash;322859 wrote:
Show me where in the constitution it says "take money from people and fund artists" ?i guess heroin is legal and the govt doesnt subsidize energy,farmers, or student loans. good luck convincing even the staunchest of conservatives to revert to 1787.
id vote for magento, btw, before the guy that ran godfathers pizza
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24valvenotak;322862 wrote:
i guess heroin is legal and the govt doesnt subsidize energy,farmers, or student loans. good luck convincing even the staunchest of conservatives to revert to 1787.
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id vote for magento, btw, before the guy that ran godfathers pizza**Racist much??? :icon_salut:
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24valvenotak;322862 wrote:
i guess heroin is legal and the govt doesnt subsidize energy,farmers, or student loans. good luck convincing even the staunchest of conservatives to revert to 1787.id vote for magento, btw, before the guy that ran godfathers pizza
You gotta start somewhere. If people are willing to cut spending of anything, that's a start. Instead, they "compromise" by increasing spending tit for tat.
Shithead #1: "My district wants to give another no-bid contract to make government pencils for $200 each to MegaSuperCorp".
Shithead #2: "My district wants to provide more books about having 2 dads to all school children"
All 500+ Shitheads: "DEAL!" -
thrash;322871 wrote:
You gotta start somewhere. If people are willing to cut spending of anything, that's a start. Instead, they "compromise" by increasing spending tit for tat.Shithead #1: "My district wants to give another no-bid contract to make government pencils for $200 each to MegaSuperCorp".
Shithead #2: "My district wants to provide more books about having 2 dads to all school children"
All 500+ Shitheads: "DEAL!"the difference between spending money on govt contracts for war/pencils/wheelchair ramps to the beach/ect and attempting to broaden the horizons for children are sort of apples and oranges in my opinion. if playing the recorder for ten minutes in 3rd grade means one more kid wont be a world of warcraft enthusiast, i say victory.
i agree in that in order to make that happen, you have to buy votes by subsidizing the mining of coal. part of me wants to call that a necessary evil, but honestly, how do you proclaim that a priority list if one has to compliment the other? you cant. which is why i still say that war, debt, and gas prices shouldnt be the only things on the mind of the people. why? because to solve these we will either give up more liberties, cut programs which are paramount to the survival/success of many, or further enhance the separation of wealth in this country.
DrifterExtreme;322864 wrote:
Racist much??? :icon_salut:
ten bucks says you had to google who i was even talking about so stfu -
Well, as much as I don't like it, war is a job of the federal government. Education isn't supposed to be. There was no DOE before Carter, and I don't think education has gotten better since then.
It's not that I think education is unimportant. I do however, think federal invovlement is not only illegal but has made it worse for everyone.
I am against corporate handouts and graft and am entertaining the idea of eliminating corporate personhood and owner-immunity as a concession to the idea that corporations get special favor from the government that they wouldn't otherwise get. And I think that would alleviate much of the specter of unearned wealth in our society. But I'm not willing to say that the "separation of wealth" is a bad thing if you are talking about the "distribution of wealth". Some people simply contribute much, much more to society than others. THey should be rewarded accordingly.
As long as society is making wealth decisions using a voluntary process (i.e. buying what they want to buy, from who they want to buy from), the resultant distribution is inherently moral and ethical.
I am probably angrier about government giving unearned wealth to companies than I am about government giving unearned wealth to lazy people, but both should stop. Ron Paul is against both, of course.
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24valvenotak;322880 wrote:
ten bucks says you had to google who i was even talking about so stfu10 bucks says you have no idea what i know so assuming I'm so far removed from current events makes you look like a dumb ass. but continue.
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thrash;322885 wrote:
Well, as much as I don't like it, war is a job of the federal government. Education isn't supposed to be. There was no DOE before Carter, and I don't think education has gotten better since then.It's not that I think education is unimportant. I do however, think federal invovlement is not only illegal but has made it worse for everyone.
I am against corporate handouts and graft and am entertaining the idea of eliminating corporate personhood and owner-immunity as a concession to the idea that corporations get special favor from the government that they wouldn't otherwise get. And I think that would alleviate much of the specter of unearned wealth in our society. But I'm not willing to say that the "separation of wealth" is a bad thing if you are talking about the "distribution of wealth". Some people simply contribute much, much more to society than others. THey should be rewarded accordingly.
As long as society is making wealth decisions using a voluntary process (i.e. buying what they want to buy, from who they want to buy from), the resultant distribution is inherently moral and ethical.
I am probably angrier about government giving unearned wealth to companies than I am about government giving unearned wealth to lazy people, but both should stop. Ron Paul is against both, of course.
No I dont mean the govt should send checks out to somehow regulate the level of disparity in this country. My gripe isnt with people making sane leves of money. My gripe is with the assholes making two hundred million dollars a year who invented something else to bet on/against.
Education cant be left to the private sector either. The Devry Institute, Pheonix, ect ect are proving just how much worse the education system could be. I dont think the states can handle it either or alabama will end up with two water fountains again.
DrifterExtreme;322893 wrote:
10 bucks says you have no idea what i know so assuming I'm so far removed from current events makes you look like a dumb ass. but continue.You know me better than to call me racist. That is just absurd. The fact that I have zero faith in your ability to comprehend anything more than mt dew and honda tech, however, still stands. As I have said before just leave me alone and we can both live happily ever after.
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24valvenotak;322905 wrote:
You know me better than to call me racist. That is just absurd. The fact that I have zero faith in your ability to comprehend anything more than mt dew and honda tech, however, still stands. As I have said before just leave me alone and we can both live happily ever after.You took joking to serious in 2 sec in the last thread. ( lol me telling you the you must have been smoking when you talked about bush in a war criminal way = i'm an enemy) LOLZZZZ
but please continue to be an elitist and denounce anything i say as i know nothing and my opinion doesn't matter.
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24valvenotak;322905 wrote:
Education cant be left to the private sector either. The Devry Institute, Pheonix, ect ect are proving just how much worse the education system could be. I dont think the states can handle it either or alabama will end up with two water fountains again.You are absolutely wrong with this, my kids were in private school for their first 4 years and it is on a completely different level with public. Sure, there could be a few issues with an all private school system, but they are a speck of fly shit compared to the issues at public schools currently. Let the gubmint set up minimum standards and then get them the hell out of education and we'd all be far better off.
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The problem I see with abandoning public schools entirely is that the poor will have even less of a chance to get a decent education. I mean, those of us with enough money to send our kids to a private school have an inherent advantage in the education of our children already in that we get to decide to a greater detail the course study, ideology, etc.. that our kids are exposed to. Now imagine if all that were available were public schools. The separation would be even greater, the middle class/upper middle class would likely have about the same level of education that is currently available in the public sector, the "rich" (and I use that term loosely) would have the elite education and the poor would have what.... Yolanda's How-to-be-a-ho School for young girls and Pharrell's School of Pimptasticness?
I'm in favor of the public school system as it at least sets a basic standard of what is expected. Is it perfect? HELL NO. I may very well pull my kid from it, but we will see how public kindergarten goes next year. I keep hearing about the "liberal" school system, but I really felt like I was being fed more conservative info than liberal in school. Maybe my school's were the exception, I guess I'll have to see.
Now, having the federal gov't step out of public school funding/guidelines is something I'd entertain. Let the states determine what the standards should be and go from there. IF that happens however, I'd like to see my federal tax burden go down, otherwise it will end up costing me more in the future.
Right now Ron Paul is the only candidate I'd consider from the Republican party. The rest seriously seem like more of the same shit that we always get....conservative and full of hopes and dreams when running (both sides) and spend money like a drunken sailor on shore leave at a titty bar once they are in office.
Ron Paul is the only one who's proven to practice what he preaches and I applaud him for that, even if I don't agree with him some of the time.
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