Caution to racers racing cars with remaining warrenty
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Any vehicle raced at Top End Dragways is doing so under the acceptance that they are using said vehicle in a race scenario and in a manor that will void his/her warranty on vehicle/motor/trans/etc. Neither the track nor its staff are in anyway, shape, or form responsible for any damage YOU do to YOUR vehicle well racing. I have received a few calls this past summer from dealerships in regards to whether a person has raced at the track or not. This is not information I will give out to any random person who calls, however, a situation has escalated to the point of courts getting involved and I have been asked for paperwork showing if a person has or has not been racing. This in no way affects myself or the track, I am merely saying this as a heads up to the racers, dealerships will do A LOT of work to avoid warranty work if they can, things such as looking on Facebook and other social sights, talking with businesses, etc.
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Seems like a borderline invasion of privacy...But i can see both sides of it.
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Top End;325128 wrote:
I kind of see it that way to, when they call I more or less say I have no clue, I don't personally talk to/know every racer or if they raced here. However when the court orders you to show those papers, I kind of have to.Is there any way to keep the information taken more discrete? I haven't raced in a few years so I have no idea what kind of information is taken, but before I believe it was just your signed name...which has no connection to a certain car or not.
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Ok, I didn't mean to turn this thread into a big debate/discussion about the safety of peoples info. Just to simple say to not go to the dealer after breaking your car here and say you weren't racing, they will investigate it. I will not tell anyone if a person has or has not raced here. The info we need off the tech card is your name, number address, and car info, this if for saftey/insurance reasons. The info is not given out to anyone and I keep all the cards.
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I know you are caught in the middle here, and didn't want to turn it into a discussion. However, this is an issue that could directly effect this community, so i'm sure discussion will be had. Thanks for being forward about being contacted (not that any of this has anything to do with me as i don't have a new car).
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I'm ok with a discussion, Just don't want everyone thinking there personal info is not safe. Ultimately what happened was a guy raced his car, wrecked the motor, got it fixed under warranty (dealer called me to ask if it was raced, told him I couldn't confirm that) he posted on Facebook about how racing was great, but if blew his motor and got the dealer to warranty it, dealer heard about it threw "sources"and is now attempting to take him to court for the money for the engine. They are dragging me in simply because of the fact it happened at the track.
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Top End;325133 wrote:
This really has no affect on the track, racers, or racing community. Only those dumb enough to break there car then lie to the dealer and tell them "it Just happened" to get them to cover it.Yeah, I apologize, I wasn't trying to bring it to racers information being vulnerable. By being more discrete, I meant, less information in YOUR hands to even have to worry about someone coming after. I forgot about tech card, that does change things. I couldn't remember what all was recorded, was just trying to think of a way to put you completely out of the situation. I can appreciate your protection and being straightforward with the community about the situation.
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Sounds like a real intelligent soul here.
Words of advice for those of you who feel the need to fuck over auto dealers that have far more money/legal resources than you:
Don't race a car (wrong? I am assuming so, motors just don't blow up...) under warranty and then proceed to bitch at a dealership for their faulty product.
But if you do... for the love of pete's papper!!!! don't brag about it on Facebook.
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PSiedTSi;325134 wrote:
Yeah, I apologize, I wasn't trying to bring it to racers information being vulnerable. By being more discrete, I meant, less information in YOUR hands to even have to worry about someone coming after. I forgot about tech card, that does change things. I couldn't remember what all was recorded, was just trying to think of a way to put you completely out of the situation. I can appreciate your protection and being straightforward with the community about the situation.No worries, I definitely don't want/need any more info then what we get, and the only reason for everything on the tech card is for insurance/safety
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Every new car (or used car) warranty states right on them that racing voids the warranty. Any one pulling the stunt this person did deserve to be charged with fraud. Racers have been fighting for years to clean up our reputation. Moves like this do absolutely nothing to help the cause.
Charlie it is good of you to try and help the racers as much as you can. But be very careful to not get drug into this. We don't need some overzealous lawyer to decide you were an accomplice after the fact.
I would suggest maybe adding a sign on the way in reminding people that racing will void your warranty. This may lose you a couple of racers here and there but it would do wonders for protecting you and the track.
I only made it out once to race and it was a short stay but It looked to me like you are doing a good job out there. I was pleased enough that I am working on getting our other car back together to do some bracket racing with you guys next year. I would hate to see some one jeopardize your business in any way.
Ok enough of a rant for now. Everyone have a safe winter hope to see you in the spring. -
I lied I was almost done. To anyone thinking I will get away with it how would they know if I raced or not. Remember this is a different time. You have no idea who is taking pictures or what website they may be posted on. The thought that anything is private now days is a joke. When you show up at a public place ( the track is privately owned but open to the public) To race your car you give up all your rights to privacy on the issue.
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novaclassracer;325154 wrote:
Every new car (or used car) warranty states right on them that racing voids the warranty. Any one pulling the stunt this person did deserve to be charged with fraud. Racers have been fighting for years to clean up our reputation. Moves like this do absolutely nothing to help the cause.
Charlie it is good of you to try and help the racers as much as you can. But be very careful to not get drug into this. We don't need some overzealous lawyer to decide you were an accomplice after the fact.
I would suggest maybe adding a sign on the way in reminding people that racing will void your warranty. This may lose you a couple of racers here and there but it would do wonders for protecting you and the track.
I only made it out once to race and it was a short stay but It looked to me like you are doing a good job out there. I was pleased enough that I am working on getting our other car back together to do some bracket racing with you guys next year. I would hate to see some one jeopardize your business in any way.
Ok enough of a rant for now. Everyone have a safe winter hope to see you in the spring.I am taking a few precautions to protect myself/the track with all of this, also I contacted NHRA, my insurance company, and lawyer after the first time I was contacted and am responding/replying as advised by them. One big advantage I have is on the waiver and tech cards, alot of things are laid out and by signing either/or the driver is accepting those, that also puts NHRA on my side and they have alot more and alot better lawyers then most. BTW talked with the prosecuting lawyer again and they don't even need my paperwork, they have video and photo's off of Facebook and other sights.
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Just for informational purposes do you know if just going down the track is considered racing or does it have to be an actual competition? What I am trying to say is if you just show up at a street legal or test day and just run your car down the track would they consider it racing?
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By my/NHRA's definition, a "race" is begun as soon as a driver brings his/her car into the pre-stage beams. Once you turn those lights on with your front tires, you've raced. No as for how a dealer/insurance looks at it, I'm not sure. I'd guess that once its teched in and has been taken out onto the race surface (burnout box, staging, track, etc.) they would consider it having been raced. Edit - Never answered your original question. It is considered a race whether its a solo pass or a competition pass.
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