Political thread 2011
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Rexwagon;325301 wrote:
I think cain might get the nomination because people are flocking to him. Look at his resume, it is huge. Plus hes a cancer survivor so lots of the average american flocks towards all of his ackolades. then they will find out hes black, lol.I am waiting. i dont know who I will vote for but it isnt going to be obama, or any other black person or minority. So hmmmmmmmmmmm
You almost seemed intelligent until you let your ignorance shine brightly in that last sentence...
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I don't think it's fair to say that Cain is the next Palin...
The man is gaining too much steam, and he isn't playing second fiddle to anyone....John McCain was a contender, and Sarah Palin got thrown into it as a complement to his campaign (and I think she inadvertantly scuttled it) and that package wasn't enough to grab the Independent/middle spectrum vote from Obama.
Herman Cain has already stated that he has no interest in being a VP to one of his competitors. He has a solid economic plan, which is the key ingredient to this election. I will call it now...if he wins the primaries, he will win the Presidency. Obama ending the wars will not be enough...he has to put people back to work, and he cannot accomplish it because of his arrogance and unwillingness to compromise. Obama's legacy will ride on the fact that Osama Bin Laden was killed while he was in office, and that's about where it will end.
-Peter
1991 240SX
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Bassplayer;325313 wrote:
You almost seemed intelligent until you let your ignorance shine brightly in that last sentence...+1
not everyone is a racist bigot like you. Why the fuck would it matter if they were a minority or not? If they held ideals that were consistent with yours, had a good economic plan and all the other credentials that define a good candidate... you wouldn't vote for them because he/she is black/hispanic/(insert race here)??? That is fucked up beyond belief the same way that it is fucked up when people vote for people that are minorities just because they like the idea of a minority in the oval office.
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Afsil80;325320 wrote:
I don't think it's fair to say that Cain is the next Palin...The man is gaining too much steam, and he isn't playing second fiddle to anyone....John McCain was a contender, and Sarah Palin got thrown into it as a complement to his campaign (and I think she inadvertantly scuttled it) and that package wasn't enough to grab the Independent/middle spectrum vote from Obama.
Herman Cain has already stated that he has no interest in being a VP to one of his competitors. He has a solid economic plan, which is the key ingredient to this election. I will call it now...if he wins the primaries, he will win the Presidency. Obama ending the wars will not be enough...he has to put people back to work, and he cannot accomplish it because of his arrogance and unwillingness to compromise. Obama's legacy will ride on the fact that Osama Bin Laden was killed while he was in office, and that's about where it will end.
He's more intelligent than Palin, but then again so is the lint in my pocket.
Otherwise I agree with Jim. It's all about publicity and selling books for him IMHO. By being at the forefront of the GOP race he can now command higher appearance fees when he speaks.
His economic plan is far from solid and does little to encourage growth since the incentive is to save vs spend. It's affect on the lowest wage earners in this country will be devastating as everything that you buy will now be 9% more expensive due to sales tax. It also lacks the ability to even come close meeting our current spending needs (which need to be cut, but will never get to the point where his tax would be feasible during his potential 8 years as president). Plus he'd never get the votes to pass it, even with a republican super majority.
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i wanna vote for the dang cabinet. almost as important is the guy in office imo.
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Trafik Jamz;325325 wrote:
He's more intelligent than Palin, but then again so is the lint in my pocket.Otherwise I agree with Jim. It's all about publicity and selling books for him IMHO. By being at the forefront of the GOP race he can now command higher appearance fees when he speaks.
His economic plan is far from solid and does little to encourage growth since the incentive is to save vs spend. It's affect on the lowest wage earners in this country will be devastating as everything that you buy will now be 9% more expensive due to sales tax. It also lacks the ability to even come close meeting our current spending needs (which need to be cut, but will never get to the point where his tax would be feasible during his potential 8 years as president). Plus he'd never get the votes to pass it, even with a republican super majority.
Right with you chuck...
His fee's went from 25,000 to 75,000 in the past two months and he continues to book speaking events rather then campaign in key primary states (does that really sound like a viable canididate to you?).
His tax plan went from 9-9-9 to 9-0-9 but really, who wants a state AND federal sales tax?
And Yes dave, I'll take some of those mints. He's pretty much let me down on every issue I cared about.
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I could be wrong too, but based on the way his campaign as being portrayed as disorganized and unfocused in the early primary states I have a hard time seeing him surviving past the first couple of primaries. My opinion: 5 minutes of fame left out of his initial 15
That and I think that Cain flip-flops worse than Kerry.
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DaveH;325329 wrote:
I disagree with you guys about Cain. I could be wrong, but I don't think he gives a rats about making more money. He's worth about $5 mil already, the speaking fees are chump change.I'd agree that the speaking fee's are chump change, but he is hawking a book and some other stuff too that potentially is a lot more then 75k here and there.
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Trafik Jamz;325330 wrote:
I could be wrong too, but based on the way his campaign as being portrayed as disorganized and unfocused in the early primary states I have a hard time seeing him surviving past the first couple of primaries. My opinion: 5 minutes of fame left out of his initial 15I'm not sure what to think about the guy. Either he's a genius and is changing the way a winning campaign is done... or, he needs to hire someone that knows how to run a campaign.
DaveH
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Eurofan;325323 wrote:
+1not everyone is a racist bigot like you. Why the fuck would it matter if they were a minority or not? If they held ideals that were consistent with yours, had a good economic plan and all the other credentials that define a good candidate... you wouldn't vote for them because he/she is black/hispanic/(insert race here)??? That is fucked up beyond belief the same way that it is fucked up when people vote for people that are minorities just because they like the idea of a minority in the oval office.
you must listen to rap music, wear skinny jeans, and smell like a fruit stand from abercrombie
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Rexwagon;325338 wrote:
you must listen to rap music, wear skinny jeans, and smell like a fruit stand from abercrombieLmao. Are you gracing us with more of your intelligence?
Still doesn't make up for your bigotry.
Lets keep the thread on topic and refrain from any personal attacks.
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Rexwagon;325338 wrote:
you must listen to rap musicYes, daily.
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DaveH;325359 wrote:
That explains it. /shakes headEh, it's what I grew up on mostly....that and metal.
I like most music though.
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I want Ron Paul to win the nomination, but...
I'm gonna take a long shot and say Newt is going to ultimately be the nominee, if he can get some capital together. I say this because he is BY FAR the best debater of all of them (we live in the USoE, United States of Entertainment), and there are MANY debates left in this primary cycle. He's like the professor in the room who chimes in with history lessons and attempts to keep everybody's eyes on the ball, which is defeating Obama. His polls have been moving up, slowly but surely. Let's not forget that at this time in 2007 it was (correct me if I'm wrong, going by memory) Rudy Giuliani and Fred Thompson on top.
(the following is in no particular order)
Romney is NOT a long-run non-contender as his beliefs just depend on what day it is and who he's speaking to (or maybe that's why he'll win?). Either way, the man can't hold a steady belief to save his life.
Hermain Cain's 9/9/9 plan will ultimately be his demise because people will eventually realize it holds no teeth and has a large chance (it's Washington D.C...99.999999% chance) of being misused and changed without placing it as a Constitutional Amendment and repealing the 16th Amendment simultaneously. It gives Congress an open door to an entire new tax (national sales) without getting rid of the income tax. I'm all for a national sales tax (i.e. Fairtax, which Hermain states his 9/9/9 is a path to) if it replaces the entire federal tax system, but his plan doesn't do any such thing. It is nice that he opened up the debate for a restructuring of the tax code, however.
Ron Paul has the best messages, but he is a poor communicator. Same story for Gary Johnson.
Santorum is the only one really championing social issues important to social conservatives. There is one thing he took issue which I think he needs to push more about, and that's the breakdown of the American family...Divorce rates, single parents, sense of entitlement, etc.
Bachman is done.
Huntsman still has a shot, although a long one.
Perry is done. He'll be used by the other candidates to help take Romney down.
I could be wrong on this, but this is what my gut tells me.
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