Obama & mitt
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PSiedTSi;327494 wrote:
If you guys think he will win, then the real question is, what Mitt are we getting in office? Moderate Mitt that showed up within the past month? Or the Mitt that has been campaigning for 18 months?Either is much better than what we have now, so I'm fine with either.
DaveH
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PSiedTSi;327494 wrote:
If you guys think he will win, then the real question is, what Mitt are we getting in office? Moderate Mitt that showed up within the past month? Or the Mitt that has been campaigning for 18 months?Therein lies the problem. With President Obama you know you are going to get a person who wants to put us on the road to recovery and one who has taken the steps necessary to do that.
With Governor Romney, who knows what you are going to get? It would be foolish.
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MisterCMK;327496 wrote:
Therein lies the problem. With President Obama you know you are going to get a person who wants to put us on the road to recovery and one who has taken the steps necessary to do that.With Governor Romney, who knows what you are going to get? It would be foolish.
I can't tell if you are being sarcastic or if you really believe that?
DaveH
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MisterCMK;327496 wrote:
Therein lies the problem. With President Obama you know you are going to get a person who wants to put us on the road to recovery and one who has taken the steps necessary to do that.With Governor Romney, who knows what you are going to get? It would be foolish.
Its a joke right?
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Obvious troll is obvious... No rational person would think that...
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DaveH;327497 wrote:
I can't tell if you are being sarcastic or if you really believe that?Why would I be sarcastic about something like that? You have President Obama who has laid out his road to recovery and has started us on that path. Then you have Governor Romney who has done nothing but flop around like a fish out of water. Your choice.
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MisterCMK;327496 wrote:
With President Obama you know you are going to get
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With Governor Romney, who knows what you are going to get? It would be foolish.Back in '08, we didn't know what we were going to get with Obama either. Luckily, we now know exactly where Obama stands...
right next to Karl Marx.
DaveH
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I personally hope Romney wins. I will be voting Libertarian (in ND, so it's not like my vote matters anyway, Romney will win the state easily).
That being said I wouldn't be surprised if Obama does win the electoral.
The real question is this, if Romney wins how long does he have to straighten the country out? 1st year spending is 95% pre-determined by the outgoing president and congress so there probably won't be much done year one. Year two through 4 is all on the new president and congressional leaders (spending, agenda, etc...)
Do you truly believe that Obamacare will be repealed year one? (I don't.... at least not without a replacement for it in place, which will take a super-majority in congress to pass because you know the Dems aren't going to vote it out)
Do you truly believe that unemployment will get better in his first year at a faster rate than it has in the past 4? (Again, I don't... he can do things that will make it better in years 2.5 through 4 though in my opinion)
Do you truly believe that spending is going to go down? Keep in mind that year-to-year spending from 2009 to 2012 has not increased (That should blow some minds on here ) and is growing at the second lowest rate in the past 60 years (when adjusted for inflation) however from 2008 to 2009 there was an increase, but again, that was MOSTLY predetermined by the previous socialist president that we had (GWB). Obama has mostly been the 3rd term of GWB in my opinion.... and Obama isn't tracking that far from Romney on things he's done (not what he said... what he's DONE) on many issues. http://politicalcompass.org/uselection2012
Romney is just about as anti-gun as Obama... maybe even more so
Neither candidate meets my criteria as being able to represent me properly. Ron Paul was the closest and Gary Johnson is right behind him. Johnson will be on the ballot so he gets my vote. I just don't see enough difference between the two major parties (in practice.... in speech they are worlds apart) to vote for either of them regularly.
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Trafik Jamz;327504 wrote:
The real question is this, if Romney wins how long does he have to straighten the country out? 1st year spending is 95% pre-determined by the outgoing president and congress so there probably won't be much done year one. Year two through 4 is all on the new president and congressional leaders (spending, agenda, etc...) I think the Pres can either help make things better, or help make things worse. I don't think they can "Straighten the country out".Trafik Jamz;327504 wrote:
Do you truly believe that Obamacare will be repealed year one? (I don't.... at least not without a replacement for it in place, which will take a super-majority in congress to pass because you know the Dems aren't going to vote it out) If they can get enough R's in the senate/congress, then they can. But realistically, I doubt it.Trafik Jamz;327504 wrote:
Do you truly believe that unemployment will get better in his first year at a faster rate than it has in the past 4? (Again, I don't... he can do things that will make it better in years 2.5 through 4 though in my opinion) Absolutely.Trafik Jamz;327504 wrote:
Do you truly believe that spending is going to go down? Keep in mind that year-to-year spending from 2009 to 2012 has not increased (That should blow some minds on here ) and is growing at the second lowest rate in the past 60 years (when adjusted for inflation) however from 2008 to 2009 there was an increase, but again, that was MOSTLY predetermined by the previous socialist president that we had (GWB). Obama has mostly been the 3rd term of GWB in my opinion.... and Obama isn't tracking that far from Romney on things he's done (not what he said... what he's DONE) on many issues. http://politicalcompass.org/uselection2012 I doubt much will change anytime soon.Trafik Jamz;327504 wrote:
Romney is just about as anti-gun as Obama... maybe even more so Not concerned about this.Trafik Jamz;327504 wrote:
Neither candidate meets my criteria as being able to represent me properly. Ron Paul was the closest and Gary Johnson is right behind him. Johnson will be on the ballot so he gets my vote. I just don't see enough difference between the two major parties (in practice.... in speech they are worlds apart) to vote for either of them regularly. I'm kinda in the same boat, but I won't vote for someone that doesn't have a chance of winning, so I vote for one of the two that have a chance of winning.DaveH
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I think points 2 & 3 are tied together there Dave. Right now businesses are rightfully afraid to hire people because they are unsure how Obamacare is going to affect them next year..... and they are terrified that they will be taxed/penalized for people who are offered major medical and refuse it as the business AND the employee will take a tax hit unless the cost of healthcare expense would have exceeded more than 9.5% of that persons income.... or if they work for someone who employs less than 50 full time equivalents.
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Trafik Jamz;327506 wrote:
I think points 2 & 3 are tied together there Dave. Right now businesses are rightfully afraid to hire people because they are unsure how Obamacare is going to affect them next year..... and they are terrified that they will be taxed/penalized for people who are offered major medical and refuse it as the business AND the employee will take a tax hit unless the cost of healthcare expense would have exceeded more than 9.5% of that persons income.... or if they work for someone who employs less than 50 full time equivalents.Yup. Obamacare is one thing that is holding businesses back. And the talk about "making the rich pay their fair share" of taxes is another.
DaveH
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DaveH;327508 wrote:
Yup. Obamacare is one thing that is holding businesses back. And the talk about "making the rich pay their fair share" of taxes is another.I have a feeling everyone is going to see a slight tax increase.... regardless of who is in office. Either by closed loopholes or actual percentage increases.
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