Low 8 second LT1, factory block, 16 lbs of boost.
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95TsiAWD wrote:
Factory block? big deal.Factory rods/pistons is what I thought you were talkign about.
So a 7 second car using a factory block isn't impressive to you? If this car were stripped down to race weight, it is an easy low 7 second car, maybe lower with different suspension. How many other cars can you say do that? -
PSiedTSi wrote:
i believe a 4G63 is one of those....daves supra will be in the 8s :)...in fact i believe his 9sec pass was on stock internals? someone correct me if im wrong
Show me a 3400+ lb car of any of those running in the 7's, on stock suspension, with the stock block that came with the car.Oh yeah, there are 9 second internally stock LTX and LSX engines.
It only is running 16 lbs of boost, and is running it's stock weight of the car, stock style suspension. It IS damn impressive. Put this engine in a car with a weight of 2600 lbs (not that hard to do to make it weigh 2600 lbs) and this thing would fly, easy low 7 second car.
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94NDTA wrote:
So a 7 second car using a factory block isn't impressive to you? If this car were stripped down to race weight, it is an easy low 7 second car, maybe lower with different suspension. How many other cars can you say do that?Stock block, no not impressed. Stock rods/pistons I would of been by far. Tons of 7-8 second cars run stock blocks.
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94NDTA wrote:
Show me a 3400+ lb car of any of those running in the 7's, on stock suspension, with the stock block that came with the car.Oh yeah, there are 9 second internally stock LTX and LSX engines.
It only is running 16 lbs of boost, and is running it's stock weight of the car, stock style suspension. It IS damn impressive. Put this engine in a car with a weight of 2600 lbs (not that hard to do to make it weigh 2600 lbs) and this thing would fly, easy low 7 second car.
all the DSM guys run stock 4g63 blocks, there are no aftermarket. And they have ran 7's.
Stock block means nothing. Stock internals would.
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95TsiAWD wrote:
all the DSM guys run stock 4g63 blocks, there are no aftermarket. And they have ran 7's.Stock block means nothing. Stock internals would.
So, when those 4g63's run 7's, thats not impressive? Why are they impressive, and this isn't? I know they are smaller, but they run a hell of a lot more boost, and generally are lighter than what they came out of the factory. This car is factory weight, without a 4 link, and horribley designed 23 degree heads.On non inline engines it is. V8's are basically pulling themselves apart. Not to many V-desing engine can say they have accomplished this.
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camzaro28 wrote:
i believe the dsm motors were built somewhat for boost.
the ltx motors were not built in any way to handle boost, so it wouldnt be smart at all to use stock internals!h
Yeah, the internals were built for N/A power, and even at that, they weren't the best. -
94NDTA wrote:
So, when those 4g63's run 7's, thats not impressive? Why are they impressive, and this isn't? I know they are smaller, but they run a hell of a lot more boost, and generally are lighter than what they came out of the factory. This car is factory weight, without a 4 link, and horribley designed 23 degree heads.On non inline engines it is. V8's are basically pulling themselves apart. Not to many V-desing engine can say they have accomplished this.
Im not saying an 8 second pass is not impressive, not in any passenger car. I am saying the fact that its on stock block really doesnt matter.
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camzaro28 wrote:
i believe the dsm motors were built somewhat for boost.
the ltx motors were not built in any way to handle boost, so it wouldnt be smart at all to use stock internals!hI think you guys are missing the point. When you have upgraded internals inside of a block, you can expect it to make considerably more power. What would have the car extremely unique is if it had been on stock internals.
On the other hand, DSM's are lightweight. AWD adds quite a bit of weight and they arent slim to begin with. Oh, and we have 1/2 the engine that most of the V8's have, and 550hp on stock internals is not unheard of. Shit, PSI2HI did that.
"built" for boost? yeah. 1/2 the engine of the v8's? yeah.
So is it impressive that we can still go 7's with upgraded internals? yeah, i'm not saying its not impressive that car can as well, but its not ONE of a kind out there.
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Jim wrote:
I think you guys are missing the point. When you have upgraded internals inside of a block, you can expect it to make considerably more power. What would have the car extremely unique is if it had been on stock internals.On the other hand, DSM's are lightweight. AWD adds quite a bit of weight and they arent slim to begin with. Oh, and we have 1/2 the engine that most of the V8's have, and 550hp on stock internals is not unheard of. Shit, PSI2HI did that.
"built" for boost? yeah. 1/2 the engine of the v8's? yeah.
So is it impressive that we can still go 7's with upgraded internals? yeah, i'm not saying its not impressive that car can as well, but its not ONE of a kind out there.
I think you are missing my point. The LT1 isn't the end all be all motor from GM. The 4g63 is. In fact, a lot of people ditch it for SB2 or SBC motors once they start making insane amounts of hp. It is an inferior motor. Inline motors havea distinct advantage of their blocks being more capable of holding together. V designed engines have to deal with cylinder pressure AND the engine trying to pull itself apart. It's a trade off you get for more cubic inches. FOR THIS ENGINE, this is very impressive. FOR THE AMOUNT OF BOOST, this is impressive. FOR THE CARS WEIGHT, This is impressive. FOR THE DESIGN OF THE HEADS, this is impressive. And last but not least, FOR UTILIZING A STOCK STLYE SUSPENSION, this is impressive. -
a white guy with a 20 inch cock is impressive..sorry
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mwc1 wrote:
a white guy with a 20 inch cock is impressive..sorryyou fag, Ban him!
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shut up freitag it was a joke.
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i figured that i was just giving you shit.
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im planning of going deep into the 15's...any congrats there?
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