Aug 6&7 Street Legal Times
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the white STI has a 20g.....and lots of time on the dyno.
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tjamz wrote:
not sure how to interpret that last statement tufte....but I think you meant to say that that DSM's have gone 10's in a 20G, well if thats the case, then why all the fuss about 60 trim or larger?What are you talking about fuss of 60 trim or larger?
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mwc1 wrote:
the white STI has a 20g.....and lots of time on the dyno.
Whats he do for a job? I was told he's shelled out 8500 into his car?damn im at like 1/3 of that.
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he's an electrician...he also lives with his parents so he doesnt really spend any money on anything but his car......from what i heard he brought it to some place in chicago thats specializes in Subaru's and is supposed to be the best in the nation....and it helps that his parents are loaded too...but he usually buys all his cars and his car shit himself....his brother has the turbo'd rsx
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PSI2HI wrote:
What are you talking about fuss of 60 trim or larger?Basically giving a lot of people shit, because every time I've mentioned FP Green or Red series turbos I keep hearing "Get a real turbo" or "Those are tiny". My question was, if a 20G/Green/Red can run in the 12/11/10 second range, why bother with a larger, slower spooling turbo if we're all gonna be running the same speeds? I'd much rather have the quick spooling turbo personally. I'm not trying to start a big e-fight, you guys have been in the game longer than me, I just wanted to know why the huge turbo mentality.
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Huge turbo mentality leaves room for improvement.
Although people have gone 10s on a 20g, etc, it isn't as common because you have to push it that much harder. The stock 1g dsm 14b has gone mid 11s, but its not easy to get a turbo that small down there, and honestly it still can't be that much fun to drive. -
wannabe wrote:
neither can a 540 hp fwd car from a dead stop, i assume.I consider it pretty fun at the track.
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And the only debate about nitrous passes belongs with Matt. Only person we know of that its taken two power adders to run 11.2.
I might not be there yet, but I am not going to fall into the two power adder trap.And every weekend Dave and Matt are like "hey have you thought about a little nitrous?"
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tjamz wrote:
Basically giving a lot of people shit, because every time I've mentioned FP Green or Red series turbos I keep hearing "Get a real turbo" or "Those are tiny". My question was, if a 20G/Green/Red can run in the 12/11/10 second range, why bother with a larger, slower spooling turbo if we're all gonna be running the same speeds? I'd much rather have the quick spooling turbo personally. I'm not trying to start a big e-fight, you guys have been in the game longer than me, I just wanted to know why the huge turbo mentality.Don't recall saying such a thing but i'll give an explanation anyways. 20G/50 trim etc can run fast but your going to have to push them twice as hard to make the power you can w/ a larger turbo. A FP red is a 60-1. 60-1 can make decent power but they are now pretty outdated. You can run GT series now make much more power and actually spool faster then a 60-1. And for the price of a FP Green/Red you can get into a GT that's gonna make more power and spool faster. For instance the turbo i used on Joe's EVO will make more power and spool faster then old stuff. Take a ride in his car once and just see how quick that thing spools and how smooth it is. Now only if he had a trans that would work.
I'll also use my old talon and Kevins GSX as an example, he used a standard 50 trim for awhile and i used a SC61 which containted a GT compressor. His turbo made 416whp on 30 psi, now on the other hand for a few hundred rpm slower spool up i made the same power 412whp on 20 psi. Less boost=less heat, less heat=less chance of detanation, less detantion=less stress on a motor. And if you got a bigger turbo you always have room for more.
Example #2 i'll use my civic. On a stock motor you are pretty limited @ what you can do. SO in theory to mske the most power w/ what you can actually run your going to need to run a large turbo. For say i were to run a 16G on it @ 10 psi i'd probably be lucky to even break a high 12. Now on the other hand i chose to use a 57 trim which so far so propelled a stock motor SOHC to 11.9 and made 261whp/212trq. Im actually going to run a larger turbo yet and continue to run 10 psi until this one blows. 10 psi seems to be the magical #. To make power you have to move air, little turbo's dont move air unless their @ insane boost levels, high boost levels here are not an option.
Idk i guess i see people all the time in the DSM whining about spool up. And if your that worried about it buy a 16G. For say i were to build another big power car i wouldn't even look @ anything smaller a GT35, and if i were to build a street machine i wouldn't even glance @ anything smaller then a 50 trim, but if your willing to spend the $$ you have a turbo that spools faster then that 50 and makes more power.
Nick
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i made a bunch of 14.2's at 98
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Whoops made a typo and just had to edit it and Nate you didn't even catch it @ the bottom where i typed if i was building a street machine i wouldn't even look @ anything smallker then i 16G, whoops typo!
Now on the other hand a 20G is a pretty small turbo for a STI, you got 2.5L of disp to deal w/ even a 50 trim i would consider small for that application.
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the flip side of that is that the suby community is seeing faster times out of the Green or Red series than they are w/ SC61's. The GT35R is pretty well regarded by them BUT they spool slower than Reds and definately slower than greens and therefore are usually only used on drag-only type applications whereas the Green & Red are often used in Auto-x and Roadcourse apps. Like I said, not trying to start a pissing match here, just trying to get some additional insight.
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It's a known fact that subaru owners are whiners though.
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Im basing my facts off hands on experience though not w/ what has been said on internet forums. W/ some of the information i have seen people post on forums i would never take what anyone said as valuable information unless there were a proven good source. 90% of the time the guy posting information is dumber then the people reading it, because it seems everyone is a know it all when it comes to internet forums.
My $.02
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If you want something thats gonna spool quick and still be capable of 500hp i'd get into the GT30BB line.
I'd run a 60-1 but only if it was a low boost setup as 60-1 make nice power on low boost but they become drastically inefficient on higher boost and thats where the larger GT series turbo's will take over w/ the quicker spool up and much more power than a 60-1.
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