Dyno in Fargo?!?! Interested?!?
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In about a year and a half, two years when the 6s's have put on that new turbo and problems have shown up or not I'd have it on their.... Have you thought about one of those systems you can do custom computer tuning or do you do that already??? Mike's custom truck offers that can't remeber which company it's in with but he sends off the info from his dyno to the computer chip company and they email him a new set of param's and he burns them to a chip and re-dyno's it to see what happens...
Honestly I'm kind of surprised you didn't have a dyno already
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when i was in NY a mazda shop had one of the dynapack dynos and absolutely swore by it...ive seen em use it on TV etc and have heard nothing but good things about it. Honestly I would love to have one in town instead of having to make sure one is in town or worrying about having my car make the trip largely untuned etc...it would be awesome when i go PFC so i don't blow it up haha...i say go for it...
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I could see my self using a couple times a year maybe more depending on how fast the performance mods come. Also if i get enough mods i would consides tuning yearly. 75 for like 4 pulls or how many pulls you thinking. I dont know about the 112 for tuning an hour. How long does it take to tune a car roughly?
Matt
92 Civic HB
JDM d15b w/14b@8psi
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Only thing I don't like about Dynapack is that they tend to have higher numbers than traditional dyno configurations and it doesn't take the rotating mass of the wheels into consideration when tuning (whether this matters or not is another story all together). I'd probably use the dyno 4-6 times a year and almost exclusively for tuning. The $112/hour, does that include having you guys tune the car or can I tune myself at a reduced rate? Would you guys be going to training schools on AEM tuning and UTEC/Hydra tuning? How about Hondata? Not that those matter to me, I'll just tune it myself, but it will probably make a difference to others that want tuning done. Also, would you guys be offended if (for example) me, Kirk, Joe, Stephen & Schulzy paid for someone like Jorge Rift (Payne Technologies) to come to fargo and tune our vehicles (meaning a tuning day by the top tuner in the Subaru community in the united states)?
How about offering a discount if you buy X amount of dollars, you can tune for a Y% discount the day of your appointment...maybe get some baseline runs in and then see what kind of gains you got from the mods?
If I sound negative, I apologize, I am just trying to throw some ideas your way and I really hope that you do go through with this (when can I book my appointment???)
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ive done 1 dyno session in my day, i forget i think RS Motors in minneapolis ran me 120 ish for 2.5 hours, with a piss load of pulls.
id still rather have one local. you never know, it could be a failure it could be success. but probably the whole state of nd (awders) and what not, northern minnesota would probably jsut come to fargo rather then go to minneapolis.
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That, and if you can prove yourself to be competent tuners, you will draw the Mpls crowd as well. RS Motors is good.....if you have lots of time to be on the dyno. Fortunately for me I get my dyno time there for next to nothing (literally....long story, don't ask) So I think if you can prove to be good tuners and can provide a service at a good price, you can draw crowds from up to a couple of states away.
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torbs wrote:
i think it's an awesome idea! i'd see myself doing it 2-4 times/year...all depends on how many cars i have loland how many of your cars are running too!!!
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tjamz wrote:
Also, would you guys be offended if (for example) me, Kirk, Joe, Stephen & Schulzy paid for someone like Jorge Rift (Payne Technologies) to come to fargo and tune our vehicles.Shane will give you a deal on the dyno and you will still end up paying $500 each.
It's not worth it. Take it from someone who shelled out $200 for a 1 hour session with him. He works for http://www.pandlmotorsports.com/ now, not payne.
Might as well just get someone local that is good with a UTEC....
oh and its a dynapack, not a dyno jet. People bitch about dyno's reading high and low, that doesn't matter, consistency is what does.
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Yeah Steve-o said my thought, In all reality The #'s Really don't matter that much, it's consistency, so even if you have 150hp, if you can tune another 15 out of it or somehting, it's still a improvement, i mean another dyno could say the car has 185hp, and you could pull 15 out of it, it's still the same inprovement, really doesn't matter, well to me it doesn't.
Not sure if that made sense, but i tried
Anyways Would i use it, yes alot, 3-5 times a year or more, depends on what mods i Get done.
Tuning yourself, well, i'm sure there may have to be some liability issues to take care of, but really, if you gota professional tuner, or a trained one, and a Dyno with guys you know and trust running it, why not have them tune, they are most certainly have more experience than MOST of us doing so.
My thoughts, and a Hours worth of tuning to me is well worth $112, with a wideband that is.
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Steve-o wrote:
Shane will give you a deal on the dyno and you will still end up paying $500 each.It's not worth it. Take it from someone who shelled out $200 for a 1 hour session with him. He works for http://www.pandlmotorsports.com/ now, not payne.
Might as well just get someone local that is good with a UTEC....
oh and its a dynapack, not a dyno jet. People bitch about dyno's reading high and low, that doesn't matter, consistency is what does.
Not doubting anyones tuning capabilities here, and no offense to anyone on this matter, but he does have one of the best reputations in the Utec tuning world (called TXS and asked who they'd recommend to tune a WRX if location was not an issue....their response to me was Jorge, then TXS, then Phil @ Elementtuning.) Right now Jorge is my troubleshooter/fine tuner...just send him my datalogs w/ wideband info and he tells me if anything looks out of order and tells me what parameters to change to make it smoother.
The $500, would that be in addition to the charge that Jorge would require? If so, seems a bit high, if not I assume you meant if just 5 of us were getting tuned that day....obviously we'd try and get a bunch of people together to minimize costs...just throwing ideas out there that would have been asked anyway.
Thanks for the response though
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Awesome Idea, AWD dyno in the heart of the awd scene. You will need to have a partnership with someplace like borderland towing for all the DSMs that break! I would see mysef using it atleast once a year for tuning, If i ever get a car that needs to be tuned.
Will you guys be learning KPRO, i know youve already had experience with it, but KNOWING it is way different. Also, you will be opening up a world of new business possibilities. You will have people coming from al over the midwest. Have you thought about the increase in product you would need to keep in stock? i'm sure you have, but it struck my attention.
Point Being: Everyone wants a Dyno, and not only would you make money on the dyno itself, but increase in people coming in the door, more relations with the domestic/truck crew like jason said. I am all for it as I would love a dyno, but more importantly, this will leade you, If marketed right, to a butt load of business. Good Luck with your purchase. -
Just want to throw in here how amusing it is to listen to people who will spend thousands of dollars on parts to make their cars go fast, and then pinch pennies when it comes to the most important part of making power - the tuning. I gladly spent $400 for a custom map for my bike after putting thousands into the motor. You car guys crack me up.
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2wheeler wrote:
Just want to throw in here how amusing it is to listen to people who will spend thousands of dollars on parts to make their cars go fast, and then pinch pennies when it comes to the most important part of making power - the tuning. I gladly spent $400 for a custom map for my bike after putting thousands into the motor. You car guys crack me up.I would just like to throw in I think it's amusing how pretty much everyone in this thread actually said they would use the dyno, and then you posted this.
Silly bikers.
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I find it amusing how many people have actually dyno'd when Andy comes to town too, or said they would, then never showed up.
I honestly dont think its going to get used the way you think it will get used. This town is full of bullshit when it comes to people wanting to go fast. If people actually cared, they would dyno when Andy came to town, or drive to Minneapolis already.
There are a select few (you know who you are) who are truely into the tuning aspect and get it taken care of. But most of the rest are honestly full of it.
Dyno's are great to have around but the total investment versus total return isn't there. Unless you travel with one, build parts and R&D, or are a HUGE known tuner, then I don't see it getting used.
The first month or two will be great but then what do you do after that when the "fun" has worn off?
I can think of better ways to make money honestly.
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I agree with Nick...I have made the trip to Andy's shop to do my tunning...its nothing to drive a few hours to get it done
Im not to thrilled on the dyno that Tintmasters wants to buy...I have heard more ppl post dislikes of this style of dyno..personally I would rather tune on the drums with my apllication
If there was a dyno in town I would use it 3-4 times a year
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