Just an idea.....
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Hip hop is based upon sampling. Its origins run alot deeper than Run DMC. It dates back to the 70's where hip hop orginated from buying two records that were the same, and playing them together, creating break beats. Made great by such Dj's as Afrika Bambaataa and DJ Kool Herc. Break beats are a samplings of breaks such as Drums and rythem from generally old soul music. There for Sampling created hip hop, with out it there would not be hip hop.
As for Lil Wayne I dont think IMO and I am sure thousands of others in the hip hop community will agree that and assume he could not Freestyle if his life depended on it. Hip hop is multi-faceted. There are so many different things to it. Most look at it as a rapper on a cd, but thats were it goes all wrong. Its a culture and has become so large that without realizing it there are more sub genres than rock and roll. Everything from Sampling to Break beats to Dj's Emcees, to a whole other part of hip hop culture such as Graffiti art and b-boying. So when you say something like lil Wayne is a the best freestyler I take your opnion very lightly and take into consideration your closed mindedness to hip hop as a whole.
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I was not aware that they stole (at least parts of) the song from Grandmaster Caz (until I researched it a bit more), but the beat itself was stolen from Chic http://www.dsng.net/samplesources3.htm http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/05/07/AR2005050700154.html http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sampling_(music
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I actually agree and respect your knowledge on hip-hop 2slo50h. I can admit that you have more knowledge than I do on this subject. What I was originally getting at is that popular rap (today) often (re-)samples or references Sugar Hill Gang.
However, anyone that tells you that they aren't in the music business to make money isn't going to make money either. Why? You need radio play or some other form of publicity (good or bad) to get your name out there. As soon as you go radio everyone calls you a sell-out, but you know what if you want to make a living at it, you might just have to sell out.
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tjamz wrote:
I actually agree and respect your knowledge on hip-hop 2slo50h. I can admit that you have more knowledge than I do on this subject. What I was originally getting at is that popular rap (today) often (re-)samples or references Sugar Hill Gang.However, anyone that tells you that they aren't in the music business to make money isn't going to make money either. Why? You need radio play or some other form of publicity (good or bad) to get your name out there. As soon as you go radio everyone calls you a sell-out, but you know what if you want to make a living at it, you might just have to sell out.
Not exacly. Look at the so called local Scene, said by another on the board. Rhymesayers.
Shawn Daily aka slug, has taken the hip hop scene back from the massess and said fuck the industry and not gone the same route, along with alot of other underground MC's. He makes his money on record sales yes, but the only promotion he has is self promotion and I have said it a thousand times the best person to represent yourself is well you. He does shows and tours and has even opened his own record shop, Fith Element in Minneapolis. He has made a name for himself without selling out or having air play. Hes not an exception, look at other such artist such as Aesop Rock and other underground legends they are not in it for the dollar rather just to make some good music.
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tjamz wrote:
However, anyone that tells you that they aren't in the music business to make money isn't going to make money either. Why? You need radio play or some other form of publicity (good or bad) to get your name out there. As soon as you go radio everyone calls you a sell-out, but you know what if you want to make a living at it, you might just have to sell out.I dont consider going to radio "selling out", the artist need the radio to promote their album,its just the fucking labels and managers make the artist come out with one "pop song", so they get the attention the artist needs to become popular or to sell the album even. EMINEM, didnt even want to put out "my name is" and "real slim shady" but the label made him. Only because most of his songs were'nt really "radio materal", and he just followed the bullshit and did what they wanted and in return he got to release on his album some of the most conterversal songs ever written (KIM).All the other artist have to deal with it too. Selling out to me would be someone like XZIBIT, he sold out majorly!! He hada rhyme that stated "refuse to go hollywood,just for the fuck it if y'all dont like it you can suck our dicks" Now look what he does a fucking RIGHT GAURD commercial,PIMP MY RIDE and he even did a few movie apperences along with co-staring in a film with BUSTA RHYMES called FULL CLIP (it sucked by the way). EMINEM also did a movie,but he did it based on the "hip-hop" scene in detroit. He wasnt tryin to do "karate and beat everybody up". Then he came out with his own clothing line "SHADY LTD." and i can understand that they make alot of $$$ of that shit. But the real sell-outs are the ones that think they are "hip-hop" but can really be categorized with BRITNEY,CHRISTINA,AND NSYNC etc....ie:NELLY,JQWON,CHINGY. Those are the ones that sell out.
"tell the misses that thats how you got the man and thats how you KEEP the man
words to live by from the wise one"
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yea i guess i did go alittle far saying lil wayne is the best fresstyler (sp) ever hes up there tho and honestly if i did have to go out and say whos the best now a dayz ill have to say JAY Z...( he writes like 2% of his songs... 98% of his songs he walks in the booth and freestlyles the song.) and like jim did im just gunna put whats on my play list right now
1.juelz santana 2. cam'ron3.young jeeezy4.young bloodz5.slim thug.6.PITBULL.7.biggy... jayz z .. jim jones... and thats bout it -
You guys make me laugh. Listen to some Aesop Rock or some anticon stuff. Come back tell me Jay-z spitin some shit about a big boat and pimpin on it is lyrical genius...
Hes alright hes nothing special.Please define your definition with out people being an example of what a Lyrical Genius is.
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I am not going to play the "example" game on account of I have 1000's I could post up. I am just saying he is all hype. He isnt that great, there are alot better. One good track does not make you a great artist, it makes you lucky IMO. I will listen to it later, but by no means is one track going to change my opinion on a artist that I don't think is all that great to begin with.
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I didnt say one track would change yours or anyones mind. I was just giving a prime example that he can rip some shit up. Not just rap about "big boats,and pimpin". You only gave one example also? I also could post thousands of freestlye examples? Aint that hard i have a folder full of em' But thats your opinion about JAY-Z and you have that right. I would like to hear some of the people you have if thats possible? maybe a few tracks i could download? Im always looking for new and better shit to listen to. The radio never plays any thing good anymore,its always the same songs over and over again. My downloads are startin to get old also and i cant think of anyone else? So if there is anyone out there that have a few artist/tracks for me to download,hit me up
"tell the misses that thats how you got the man and thats how you KEEP the man
words to live by from the wise one"
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Heres a song i just downloaded today. It pretty funny and a lil' sick but it's good
its EMINEM-FACK i think its pretty hilarious
http://media.putfile.com/eminem-fack72"tell the misses that thats how you got the man and thats how you KEEP the man
words to live by from the wise one"
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Try some Sole- http://www.Anticon.com Sounds: more poetic verse.
Check out http://www.definitivejux.net/ Sounds:New York underground
Murs from The Living Legends. Sounds: well like Murs.
Eyedea & Abilities. sounds:Nothing you have heard before. One Dj one MC that tear it up on battle tracks.
If you have already heard of all of this then I can get you alot more.
If you are into more into Gangstar cRap and Big trucks and Shiny rims then I can throw some of that your way also. -
No im not real big on "rims and big trucks", It's alright every once in a while but not as much like the CASH MONEY MILLLIONARES. Yes i am into "GANGSTA RAP" but more of the westcoast overall though,im really into "THE GAME","BROTHA LYNCH","E-40",and "TOO $HORT etc....Thats more my style. I will defently check that shit out tonite man,thanx for some new shit.
Dman computer, the websites arent working? Can you hook me up with a few tracks so i can dowload em'? That would be cool
"tell the misses that thats how you got the man and thats how you KEEP the man
words to live by from the wise one"
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They all have myspaces, well most do if you want to here there music. If ganstar rap is your main objective check out some Haystak just go out and buy Return of the Mak Million, alot of people in the south are huge on this guy right now. Also check out some old Tech N9ne shit, like the Calm Before the Storm and The Worst. He is from Kansas City, been around for along time, has done tracks with alot of artist to date. He has done work with everyone from Eminem to Roger Troutman(The Guy singing in the Background on California Love) also has worked closely with QDIII.
Another old favorite is Masta Ace. Very good MC, his old stuff was way ahead of its time.
His new stuff is not all that great
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