Iran
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Lets open up discussion on it. It's a big deal in the news right now, and anybody that has done some research on this will know its pretty scary.
http://www.newyorker.com/fact/content/?050124fa_fact
http://www.zmag.org/content/showarticle.cfm?SectionID=67&ItemID=10071
http://www.theherald.co.uk/features/59863.html
http://www.kansascity.com/mld/kansascity/news/world/14320745.htm
Is war with Iran inevitable? There don't seem to be any good outcomes to this situation, either way.
:icon_scratch: Read those articles, lets hear your comments.
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Well the way I see it Iran is gonna hose themsleves royaly. They are talking way to much smack over there. We are already right next door. Plus they have threatend Isreal which is not smart either. The only thing that will really suck is oil will go through the roof as far as prices. Then I am sure we will get a bunch of Iranian refugees to come over here and soak up some tax dollars and rice out their cars kinda like the bosnians
I am all for taking care of business but lets leave these people in their countrys. We have enough issues here with the illegal alliens, we dont need more forigners coming over stirring shit up and costing tax payers. Anyway as far as war goes I say we should roll on anyone who threatens us. Especially if they are talking nukes. -
It is inevitable we are going to war with Iran no matter who is president. The president of Iran as of right now was involved with the US embassy bombing in the 80's and is crazy. He is an extremist and will want a war with the united states. In the eyes of Islamic extremists they feel they have won almost every battle in the middle east when the united states was involved. It may not appear that way in our eyes, but here are a few examples:
US Embassy Iran
USS Cole
Syria
Kuwait War (because we didnt invade Iraq, we must have been scared right)
9/11Islamic extremists have bombed our own country, bombed our navy, took out an embassy, and scared us our of syria. They feel like they cant be stopped and the United States is weak sauce........
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Well if we attack Iran, as I see it, we are gonna start WW3. Because all of the left wing South America is aligned with them. North Korea is aligned with them. And oh yea the whole muslim world is aligned with them. I really hope Bush isn't stupid enough to go after them.
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MrScary wrote:
Well if we attack Iran, as I see it, we are gonna start WW3. Because all of the left wing South America is aligned with them. North Korea is aligned with them. And oh yea the whole muslim world is aligned with them. I really hope Bush isn't stupid enough to go after them.Thats what H-Bombs are for..
edit/ yes wes, it was a joke.
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scary shit no matter how you look at it....but when you think about it are we ever not on the brink of WW3? i mean there is always some radical country or group that is talking shit, for the most part its just a question of when the talkin stops and something hudge goes down...either way...hopefully not in the near future....
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The way i look at this is Bush and his administration wants to put their names in the history book and making big chunks of cash. We're stepping into the 5th year of Iraq, what are Americans getting out of this? Gas prices continue to sky rocket, eventhough Bush and his administration promised cheaper prices on gas. By the way, Bush and his family are big within the oil business. Cheney owns the construction company thats rebuilding Iraq right now. The U.S. government are heavily in debt, while Bush and Cheney are cashing big bucks. Iraq has become Vietnam, if any of you paid attention in history class, you would know what i'm talking about. Bush and his administration claims Iraq, Iran and Korea are threats to the world and the U.S. Yet it seems like the U.S. is a thread to the world, creating conflicts with other countries, and threaten to bomb anyone who are in control of "weapons of mass destruction." We already know whos the mastermind of 9/11, why not put more effort in going after him? In the end, Iran will be a clone of Iraq..
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We've been in iraq for 5 years?
2003, pwnage, and lol @ tin
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- Iran's govt (and prob most citizens) basically vows to kill americans at all costs
- Iran is enriching uranium
- this should concern us all
- we have war plans for most all countries that are hostile to us
- if we didn't have a war plan for Iran, Bush should be impeached
- the Bush hating press loves making a big deal out of knowing that we have war senarios for Iran
- we should (and will) try negotiations, but Iran is basically flipping us the bird
Should we allow Iran to build a nuclear weapon? That is the question.
DaveH
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DaveH wrote:
- Iran's govt (and prob most citizens) basically vows to kill americans at all costs
- Iran is enriching uranium
- this should concern us all
- we have war plans for most all countries that are hostile to us
- if we didn't have a war plan for Iran, Bush should be impeached
- the Bush hating press loves making a big deal out of knowing that we have war senarios for Iran
- we should (and will) try negotiations, but Iran is basically flipping us the bird
Should we allow Iran to build a nuclear weapon? That is the question.
I guess the real question is " what will they do with those nuclear weapons?" I have heard they do not want Isreal to exist anymore.........so should the US stay out of it? :icon_scratch:
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Isreal has been the center of all problems since way before WW2. The british owned the area for a while, which included Palistine, Syria, and Jordan. Then the muslims kicked them out but Britain kept Palistine, then after WW2 gave it to the Jews. And how many seperate wars came against "Isreal", at least 5 that I can think of. I can't wait til the Palistinians take back their land.
Also we the US are the capitalist terrorists. If it at all effects "free trade" or affects someone making money, then the US is there to stop it. And who put Saddam and most of the Dictatorships in the world into power because dictatorships make money for them, oh yea the US.
Edit: I don't know how good the history is so don't hold me to it.
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MrScary wrote:
Isreal has been the center of all problems since way before WW2. The british owned the area for a while, which included Palistine, Syria, and Jordan. Then the muslims kicked them out but Britain kept Palistine, then after WW2 gave it to the Jews. And how many seperate wars came against "Isreal", at least 5 that I can think of. I can't wait til the Palistinians take back their land.Also we the US are the capitalist terrorists. If it at all effects "free trade" or affects someone making money, then the US is there to stop it. And who put Saddam and most of the Dictatorships in the world into power because dictatorships make money for them, oh yea the US.
Edit: I don't know how good the history is so don't hold me to it.
You really took introductory college courses to heart, huh?
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DaveH wrote:
- Iran's govt (and prob most citizens) basically vows to kill americans at all costs
- Iran is enriching uranium
- this should concern us all
- we have war plans for most all countries that are hostile to us
- if we didn't have a war plan for Iran, Bush should be impeached
- the Bush hating press loves making a big deal out of knowing that we have war senarios for Iran
- we should (and will) try negotiations, but Iran is basically flipping us the bird
Should we allow Iran to build a nuclear weapon? That is the question.
Damn conservatives, I hate when I agree with them. I don't really want to go to war with Iran, but not having a plan is a bad bad bad thing. Iran enriching uranium is of concern to me, I admittedly have not been following this too closely, but the last I'd heard is that they want to use nuclear (or nukular) power as a source of energy, I am ok with that, but the second they stop allowing inspectors into the facilities, the facilities should be taken out. Period.
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They are obviously gonna say they are going to use it for energy.... yeah right, I believe that. :icon_bounce: Anyway, it's exactly the same senario as Iraq. We set limitations, they flip us the bird, then we have to decide if we are going to back up what we say. If we let them get nukes, you know they will be trying to get one set off here as soon as they can. It's ugly no matter what. I would rather not have a war with them either, can't we all just get along? LOL
tjamz wrote:
Damn conservatives, I hate when I agree with them. I don't really want to go to war with Iran, but not having a plan is a bad bad bad thing. Iran enriching uranium is of concern to me, I admittedly have not been following this too closely, but the last I'd heard is that they want to use nuclear (or nukular) power as a source of energy, I am ok with that, but the second they stop allowing inspectors into the facilities, the facilities should be taken out. Period.DaveH
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to me it seems like a big political chess game:
Country 1 Imposes sanctions
Country 2 develops nuke program
country 1 threatens to attack country 2
country 2 offers to end nuke program in exchange for aid/food/etc...
country 1 accepts offer
country 2 happy
country 1 gets upset about something else and imposes sanctions again
country 2 starts nuke program again......
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