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DaveH wrote:

Iran's govt (and prob most citizens) basically vows to kill americans at all costs

Iran is enriching uranium

this should concern us all

we have war plans for most all countries that are hostile to us

if we didn't have a war plan for Iran, Bush should be impeached

the Bush hating press loves making a big deal out of knowing that we have war senarios for Iran

we should (and will) try negotiations, but Iran is basically flipping us the bird

Should we allow Iran to build a nuclear weapon? That is the question.

Damn conservatives, I hate when I agree with them. I don't really want to go to war with Iran, but not having a plan is a bad bad bad thing. Iran enriching uranium is of concern to me, I admittedly have not been following this too closely, but the last I'd heard is that they want to use nuclear (or nukular) power as a source of energy, I am ok with that, but the second they stop allowing inspectors into the facilities, the facilities should be taken out. Period.

DaveH

They are obviously gonna say they are going to use it for energy.... yeah right, I believe that. :icon_bounce: Anyway, it's exactly the same senario as Iraq. We set limitations, they flip us the bird, then we have to decide if we are going to back up what we say. If we let them get nukes, you know they will be trying to get one set off here as soon as they can. It's ugly no matter what. I would rather not have a war with them either, can't we all just get along? LOL

tjamz wrote:
Damn conservatives, I hate when I agree with them. I don't really want to go to war with Iran, but not having a plan is a bad bad bad thing. Iran enriching uranium is of concern to me, I admittedly have not been following this too closely, but the last I'd heard is that they want to use nuclear (or nukular) power as a source of energy, I am ok with that, but the second they stop allowing inspectors into the facilities, the facilities should be taken out. Period.

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to me it seems like a big political chess game:

Country 1 Imposes sanctions
Country 2 develops nuke program
country 1 threatens to attack country 2
country 2 offers to end nuke program in exchange for aid/food/etc...
country 1 accepts offer
country 2 happy
country 1 gets upset about something else and imposes sanctions again
country 2 starts nuke program again......

StangerBanger96

MrScary wrote:
I can't wait til the Palistinians take back their land.
That will never happen. Isreal has one of the strongest militaries in the world for the size of the country. That and the fact that if they were ever in serious danger of losing their country to war the US would get even more involved, which in turn would lead to other countries getting involved (both for Isreal and whoever was attacking them).

Also doesn't it already seem like we kind of are in WW3 all the time now? There's fighting going on all over and everyone hates everyone, it's just not a full blown "lets round up all the jews and kill them and blitzkrieg(sp) across europe as well."

torbs

From what I've heard so far, yes Iran is building nuclear power plant facilities. Russia is providing them with Uranium. However, it seems that with the amount of plants they have it'd be around 1 year until they had enough for one nuk. Plus there's also the testing phase they should (might not) go through also. I've talked about this in my world affairs class and it seems that it'd be awhile yet til they actually have a useable nuk. So let the negotiations begin, Iran says "fuck you", gas prices get higher yet, people hate Bush (even though it's not his fault for this whole mess), also, soldiers in Iraq seem to not mind it there. The media always focuses on the negative things. How the people from Iraq are unhappy with Bush. Here's an example that pisses me off. There was an evening show on ABC last week that had an interview of an Iraq citizen. They explained how he can now paint his artwork freely, w/o being harassesed or hurt by Sadam's military. Then, he has the nerve to complain about Bush and how he's being slow...it's like "Do you really fucking want Sadam back into power? Because I'm pretty sure that your life would down right suck if he was still in power. So shut the hell up and quit complaining."...speaking of complaining, the Iraq citizen didn't even have the right to complain while Sadam was in power...now that the U.S. is in there and he has the right to complain, he complains about the U.S...People that act that way just piss me off. Why can't they be happy with more than what they had? It's like you help somebody and all they want is more and more.

torbs

double post...delete

Stormwalker

tjamz wrote:
to me it seems like a big political chess game:

Country 1 Imposes sanctions
Country 2 develops nuke program
country 1 threatens to attack country 2
country 2 offers to end nuke program in exchange for aid/food/etc...
country 1 accepts offer
country 2 happy
country 1 gets upset about something else and imposes sanctions again
country 2 starts nuke program again......

Very true, and it all seems sort of silly. However, what people tend to forget is how high the stakes are. When we talk about a country that hates us and has the potential to develop nuclear weapons, we must remember the rule of nuclear war - whoever strikes first wins.

98sh

How would you win a war against Iran? President Bush and his administration have done more damage to this country in the past six years then one could even begin to quantify. How much money have we dumped into Iraq, and for what? Americans are dying there in vain everyday. We are not helping Iraq, all we have done is helped start a civil war. How can one expected to establish democracy when half the country wants to stab their neighbor. Going to Iraq weakened this fine country we call home. The USA is less respected from a world view, and anything we get involved with at this point will be met with apprehension. Cooler heads must prevail! Rushing head on into another conflict on the world's stage is a bad idea. Besides, how the hell can we afford it? Last time I checked we couldn't drum up enough money to rebuild New Orleans.

StangerBanger96

Stormwalker wrote:
whoever strikes first wins.

Or it could also be, whoever strikes first causes life on earth to cease. If ANYONE fired a nuke at the US or Russia than an automatic retaliation would occur i bet, then when the one country retaliated the other would launch in order to destroy the other, and a chain reaction could occur that would basically destroy everything on earth. Im pretty sure anyone who has or wants to obtain nuclear weapons knows that if they launched them at Russia/its major allies or USA/its major allies, the world would be over.

98sh wrote:
Last time I checked we couldn't drum up enough money to rebuild New Orleans.

Why would we want to rebuild New Orleans? Just so it can flood again? How stupid is it to rebuilt a large city in the middle of a bowl that will NEVER be able to withstand a category 4/5 hurricane. It's a waste of money, it'd probably cost less in the long run to rebuild elsewhere. If it happened once it's going to happen again, why press their luck and waste OUR money to rebuild a doomed city?

98sh

That wasn't the point. New Orleans, education, healthcare, and a million others. This country needs to focus more time and money at home. If we had a decent education system idiots like Bush would not be elected. The biggest problem with this country is that there's another idiot born every minute and no education system to vaccinate the disease.

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StangerBanger96 wrote:
Why would we want to rebuild New Orleans? Just so it can flood again? How stupid is it to rebuilt a large city in the middle of a bowl that will NEVER be able to withstand a category 4/5 hurricane.?

Why would they want to rebuild? The same reason Grand Forks rebuilt after '97, because they can....and will....regardless of the fact that it will probably happen again

50stang

98sh wrote:
That wasn't the point. New Orleans, education, healthcare, and a million others. This country needs to focus more time and money at home. If we had a decent education system idiots like Bush would not be elected. The biggest problem with this country is that there's another idiot born every minute and no education system to vaccinate the disease.

John Kerry rulezzz!!!!
Best line ever.... never gets old...
"I actually did vote for the $87 billion, before I voted against it." --Sen. John Kerry, on voting against a military funding bill for U.S. troops in Iraq

STiSchucky

tjamz wrote:
Why would they want to rebuild? The same reason Grand Forks rebuilt after '97, because they can....and will....regardless of the fact that it will probably happen again
Great so more FEMA money is spent towards cars instead of shelter and food.

fuck new orleans.

98sh

50stang wrote:
John Kerry rulezzz!!!!
Best line ever.... never gets old...
"I actually did vote for the $87 billion, before I voted against it." --Sen. John Kerry, on voting against a military funding bill for U.S. troops in Iraq

What makes you think I'm a fan of John Kerry?

50stang

98sh wrote:
What makes you think I'm a fan of John Kerry?

You're obviously not an "idiot" that voted for Bush... maybe you're more of a Nader kind of guy.

Stormwalker

Nah, his stance is just one where anyone that does not agree with him is an idiot.

24valvenotak

just because your views happen to classify you as a republican or democrat etc doesnt mean you have to support your parties nomination...

StangerBanger96

tjamz wrote:
Why would they want to rebuild? The same reason Grand Forks rebuilt after '97, because they can....and will....regardless of the fact that it will probably happen again

Because Grand Forks and the rest of the Red River Valley wouldn't be totally underwater. Not to mention the cities populations are a lot smaller than New Orleans. The river is NO comparison to the ocean as well, we are more able to protect our towns/cities up here from flooding of the river than they could protect New Orleans from the ocean/hurricanes. Not really fair to compare us who have just a small river to deal with to a huge metropolitan city built in a bowl at the oceans edge.

And I also agree that > just because your views happen to classify you as a republican or democrat etc doesnt mean you have to support your parties nomination...

I'm more Republican than anything but I in no way support much of what Bush has done.

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