OFFICIAL NFL thread
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point taken..but i dont think moss affects anybody but moss. its a business but a much different business than ones we can be in. the 2 best receivers in the league are also the most cocky ones. and the vikings wouldn't be anywhere near 8-8 without moss, they went 1-4 in games without him. the only thing about moiss is, its hard to tell how important a championship is to him but i'll take him on my team over any other player
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tjamz wrote:
I agree w/ you on both points here. GB does need more talent on its team. There are only a handful of above average players there. I'll also concede this, favre is out of his prime. The only reason he is still the QB is because one game he'll be phenominal, but the next he'll throw it all away. I'd still like to see him w/ a group of really good receivers that he has had a chance to work w/ for 2 seasons w/ no changes, maybe then BOTH the receivers and QB could be on the same page, because right now both are reading each other wrong (Favre may be overrated, but if you look at a lot of his passes, if his receivers would have stayed on route, they would have at least had a shot at catching the ball or breaking up an interception). It is time for GB to start rebuilding their franchise, start bringing in the 2nd string QB for some snaps that matter, fill some spots that are weak. IF Favre cares about this team, the best thing he can do is offer to take less money so they can hire some more talent in several positions.As for tice, well, I never liked him. I was much more of a Denny Green fan, he may not have ever won the big one, but they were always in the playoffs when he was in charge.
A lot of you are going to hate me for saying this, but i think MN would be better off w/o Moss. Not from the talented player point of view, because he is very talented. More from the negativity he brings. I know you guys all feel he gets picked on by the league but think about this, in school who got sent to the office more, the quiet straight a student that one day decides to smart off a little or the constant trouble maker who does something rather minor? Same principles apply to Moss (or dennis rodman for that matter). The thing that everyone needs to remember is that the NFL is a business and anything that the employees or subcontractors (players in this case) do has an impact on the overall image of the company. I can tell you this, if I "Fake Mooned" my companies competitors and my boss heard about it, I'd be gone. Period. Why should it be any different just because he makes a butt load of money? Because he's one of the best in the game, does that excuse his actions? I realize it buys him some leniency as he is hard to replace, but now I think he's abusing it. He's (or should be) smart enough to know whats gonna get him into trouble and cause distractions, if he chooses to take those actions anyway then he should accept the fact that he is going to be fined. The problem lies w/ him not caring about fines...like he said, what's $10,000 to him? Make it big, say $250,000. Then he might start noticing a little. But make it the same for everyone that does the same as him. This is where I don't agree w/ the league a lot, they give certain people one fine, and others more....I guess it depends on how frequently they fuck up.
Ahhh, where to start.....
Favre has had Driver, Ferguson and Walker in his receiver corps for at least two years now. They should be on the same page. I agree w/the rest of paragraph one.
As far as the Tice/Green comparisons....it all depends on what you like. Green could spot talent from mile away. He inherited a decent defense when he got to MN and was able to get a lot out of the players he drafted/aquired. His problem was he was characterless. You have to be a leader in character to be a good football coach. While Denny has a great football mind, he does not work well as a motivator. Name one time that the Vikings had a big upset while he was the coach....none. He didn't know how to get the most out of his players. I think Tice is better in that aspect and will continue to grow into a top notch coach in the NFL.
As far as getting rid of Moss...ask a 49ers fan if they are happy that their team got rid of TO. Owens was MORE of a "cancer" than Moss and helped Philly tremendously when he left the Bay. Am I sticking up for Randy's actions...hell no. I think he still has quite a bit of growing up to do but he contributes a ton to the team and would be sorely missed if they ever let him go. -
HandoEX wrote:
Ahhh, where to start.....
Favre has had Driver, Ferguson and Walker in his receiver corps for at least two years now. They should be on the same page. I agree w/the rest of paragraph one.
As far as the Tice/Green comparisons....it all depends on what you like. Green could spot talent from mile away. He inherited a decent defense when he got to MN and was able to get a lot out of the players he drafted/aquired. His problem was he was characterless. You have to be a leader in character to be a good football coach. While Denny has a great football mind, he does not work well as a motivator. Name one time that the Vikings had a big upset while he was the coach....none. He didn't know how to get the most out of his players. I think Tice is better in that aspect and will continue to grow into a top notch coach in the NFL.
As far as getting rid of Moss...ask a 49ers fan if they are happy that their team got rid of TO. Owens was MORE of a "cancer" than Moss and helped Philly tremendously when he left the Bay. Am I sticking up for Randy's actions...hell no. I think he still has quite a bit of growing up to do but he contributes a ton to the team and would be sorely missed if they ever let him go.
when you say big upset, you mean when theyve upset somebody or when somebodys upsetted them under green, if so, 98 Falcons. -
bears vikes i think 94 playoffs at the metrodome.
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STiSchucky wrote:
bears vikes i think 94 playoffs at the metrodome.
If we were at home in the playoffs we were not the underdogs.
My point was not that we never won as an underdog. I was trying to say that Green had more than enough talent to win the SuperBowl more than once and he never even got there. He showed his character in the '98 playoffs against ATL. I lost respect for him that day. -
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omg i found this...this is fucking hillarious to us Viking fans, and puts the packer fans foot in their mouths..lmfao!!
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my sound on the com is fucked up...so cant hear it...probaly for the better lol
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it was pretty funny, no doubt.
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i jus saw this today. i know its just a rumor but still...it might be necessary but i dunno how i feel about it.
Trade rumor: Vikings wide receiver Randy Moss to the Oakland Raiders for cornerback Phillip Buchanon and the Raiders' first-round draft pick (No. 7 overall).
they also said the team might get sold to some guy in AZ or something
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Tad218 wrote:
i jus saw this today. i know its just a rumor but still...it might be necessary but i dunno how i feel about it.Trade rumor: Vikings wide receiver Randy Moss to the Oakland Raiders for cornerback Phillip Buchanon and the Raiders' first-round draft pick (No. 7 overall).
they also said the team might get sold to some guy in AZ or something
I've heard about a million and one different combinations for trading Moss this week. I've heard, just today, that he could be going to- Arizona
- Oakland
- Miami
It's just a rumor and hopefully (God willing) none will come to fruition.
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id take this rumor
Zona sends us adrian wilson (pro bowl safety), Anquan boldin-all time leading catches in rookies, will be a prime time.
I dont see why not, we're not winning with him.
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i say they trade a rb or two for some people on defense.
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d^flex wrote:
i say they trade a rb or two for some people on defense.I definately agree. We are overstocked at RB. But, I doubt we can get any decent LB FS, SSor CB for Smith (drugs) or Bennet (injury). Probably just a high (second round) draft pick to use on a needed position.
I don't care if we get Boldin, I don't like the Arizona trade at all.
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we get a few more D linemen, which we need, dockett and bert somethin. But that was just a lil rumor.
Plus wed be gettin rid of bennet.
other rumors ive heard is
Baltimore-Ed Reed(Defensive player of the year ) and 1st
Washington-Lavarr Arrington-Very good but prone and 8th overall pick which could get us Braylon Edwards, nations top reciever
And then Oakland-Philip Buchanon, he was good, but I dont know if Id do it , and a 1st which is like a top 5 pick.
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