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  • DelSlowD Offline
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    REPOST
    http://www.fargostreet.com/forums/showthread.php?t=9738

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    • killer69penguinK Offline
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      but its a good repost!

      1993 3000GT VR4

      Previous: 95 Eclipse, 98 Civic, 72 Mustang, 96 Eclipse Spyder, 03 Tiburon, 93 Prelude, 94 Del Sol, 95 Integra, 95 Civic, 94 GMC Serria

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      • ruthless351R Offline
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        AAAWWWWW! Not another VTEC!!!

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        Understeer is when you hit the wall with the front of the car
        Oversteer is when you hit the wall with the rear of the car.
        Horsepower is how fast you hit the wall
        Torque is how far you take the wall with you

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        • torbsT Offline
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          continuously variable...gheyness...i want my v-sweetness all at ONCE y0!!!one!!!eleven!!!!

          Current vehicles: 90 Civic Hatch, 95 Civic Sedan, 93 Del Sol, 95 Civic Coupe, 99 Integra GS
          Past vehicles: 78 Malibu 2dr., 88 Riviera, 90 Laser RS-T, 91 Audi 90 quattro, 93 Del Sol, 90 TSI AWD, 92 Integra GSR, 94 Del Sol, 93 Prelude Si, 97 Civic Coupe, 88 Toyota MR2 Supercharged, 94 Lexus GS300, 89 CRX, 06 Vento Zip, 90 Civic hatch, 98 Honda Civic, 99 Honda Civic, 92 Yamaha XJ600S, 87 4WD Subaru GL, 94 Audi 90CS Quattro, 00 Civic EX Coupe, 04 Dodge SRT-4, 89 Corolla GTS (Silvertop), 95 Del Sol

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          • treimcheT Offline
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            Yamaha has this same technology on the 2007 R1. No vtec cams, but the variable length intake runners.

            Troy
            2009 Yamaha R1
            2002 WRX
            2001 Toyota Tundra
            2001 Yamaha R6
            1988 Yamaha YSR 50
            2003 XR50

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            • GarageAlchemistG Offline
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              94NDTA;170895 wrote:
              That is amazing. The idea of a variable length intake manfold is very smart. Shorter in the low RPM's for more TQ, higher in the upper RPM's for more hp. I hope this catches on with other car maakers.

              There is a video somewhere that is pretty cool.

              I believe shorter runners would make more power up top, and longer down low?

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                • 94NDTA9 Offline
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                  No.

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                  • PSiedTSiP Offline
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                    The idea has been used before, but obviously not as technically advanced. There are a few cars that came with butterfly valves that used different runners at different RPMs etc.

                    At first I did it for fun, then I realized I made the investment and had to do it!

                    92 Talon AWD 6/4bolt [EMAIL="[email protected]"][email protected][/EMAIL]
                    95 240SX SE SR20DET [EMAIL="[email protected]"][email protected][/EMAIL]
                    1993.5 Supra Hardtop...Sold
                    Next project? 6cyl, 6spd?

                    > spanish-rice;237125 wrote:
                    > at first i thought the title said beer truck drivers needed... In which case i accidently put my two weeks in at work.

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                    • K Offline
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                      PSiedTSi;170945 wrote:
                      The idea has been used before, but obviously not as technically advanced. There are a few cars that came with butterfly valves that used different runners at different RPMs etc.

                      KA's had them, well at least mine did.

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                        Explain. Like they had one butterfly valve open at lower rpms, and another on a different length runner tha would open at higher RPM?

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                          94NDTA;170947 wrote:
                          Explain. Like they had one butterfly valve open at lower rpms, and another on a different length runner tha would open at higher RPM?

                          Yes sir. There is an H22 sitting here with that same system. JDM 4G63's had them as well.

                          At first I did it for fun, then I realized I made the investment and had to do it!

                          92 Talon AWD 6/4bolt [EMAIL="[email protected]"][email protected][/EMAIL]
                          95 240SX SE SR20DET [EMAIL="[email protected]"][email protected][/EMAIL]
                          1993.5 Supra Hardtop...Sold
                          Next project? 6cyl, 6spd?

                          > spanish-rice;237125 wrote:
                          > at first i thought the title said beer truck drivers needed... In which case i accidently put my two weeks in at work.

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                          • killer69penguinK Offline
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                            killer69penguin
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                            obviously they know what they are doing......with im sure millions of dollars in research and all

                            1993 3000GT VR4

                            Previous: 95 Eclipse, 98 Civic, 72 Mustang, 96 Eclipse Spyder, 03 Tiburon, 93 Prelude, 94 Del Sol, 95 Integra, 95 Civic, 94 GMC Serria

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                              The GSR had secondary butterflies stock as well.

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                                integra_gsr98;170971 wrote:
                                The GSR had secondary butterflies stock as well.

                                werd^^^...stock it's kinda like listening to two "mini-vtecs" so to speak...mmmbaaaaDAAAAA...that isnt meant to be sarcastic rice like I normally would...Thats what it actually sounds like.

                                Current vehicles: 90 Civic Hatch, 95 Civic Sedan, 93 Del Sol, 95 Civic Coupe, 99 Integra GS
                                Past vehicles: 78 Malibu 2dr., 88 Riviera, 90 Laser RS-T, 91 Audi 90 quattro, 93 Del Sol, 90 TSI AWD, 92 Integra GSR, 94 Del Sol, 93 Prelude Si, 97 Civic Coupe, 88 Toyota MR2 Supercharged, 94 Lexus GS300, 89 CRX, 06 Vento Zip, 90 Civic hatch, 98 Honda Civic, 99 Honda Civic, 92 Yamaha XJ600S, 87 4WD Subaru GL, 94 Audi 90CS Quattro, 00 Civic EX Coupe, 04 Dodge SRT-4, 89 Corolla GTS (Silvertop), 95 Del Sol

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                                  I wish there were some engineering drawings showing how this system worked. The variable length intake runner stuff isn't new.. although i can't think of an application off hand.

                                  The continuously variable valve lift and cam phasing are interesting and a definite departure from how VTEC used to work. Note that AVTEC is not the first introduction of continuously variable valve lift into a production engine... Valvetronic from BMW has been doing this since 2002 or so, and I wouldn't be surprised if they weren't the first.

                                  I've heard that F1 engines use pneumatic valve trains.. i wonder if/when we'll see that in production cars. If anyone has links to drawings of how these systems work, that'd be fantastic.

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                                    Ford has had butterfly valves in the intakes on a number of their motors. From the 2.0 SPI to the 4.0 SOHC to the 4.6 DOHC

                                    FASTER THAN DUBBSY

                                    > thrash;315544 wrote:
                                    > I noticed that the new 5.0 valve covers say "Ford Motorsport" or something on them. Instead, the valvecovers should be a big bald eagle, holding a rifle in one talon, an american flag in the other, eating apple pie, and shitting on the outline of europe.
                                    >
                                    > Ford is back :)

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                                      Ford sucks though.....

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                                        Volvo I believe will be the first company to market w/ Pneumatic valves. Garberg would probably know more.

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                                          GarageAlchemist;170940 wrote:
                                          I believe shorter runners would make more power up top, and longer down low?

                                          94NDTA;170942 wrote:
                                          No.

                                          Actually YES. Short runners = better high RPM power. Long runners = better low RPM power and more torque.

                                          94NDTA;170947 wrote:
                                          Explain. Like they had one butterfly valve open at lower rpms, and another on a different length runner tha would open at higher RPM?

                                          It's simple, there's essentially 8 different intake runners. Normally the air passes through the long runners. Butterfly opens at a certain RPM to pass the air through the short runners, instead of the long ones.

                                          thrash;170992 wrote:
                                          I wish there were some engineering drawings showing how this system worked. The variable length intake runner stuff isn't new.. although i can't think of an application off hand.

                                          Here's a link to Yamaha's website to give you a good idea. Move your cursor to the one thats' closest to the Yamaha symbol on the gas tank. http://www.yamaha-motor.com/sport/products/modelinnovation/6/0/innovation.aspx

                                          Troy
                                          2009 Yamaha R1
                                          2002 WRX
                                          2001 Toyota Tundra
                                          2001 Yamaha R6
                                          1988 Yamaha YSR 50
                                          2003 XR50

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