The main reason why I believe we dont have the iPhone.
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http://www.macrumors.com/2007/01/29/verizon-rejected-iphone-deal-due-to-apples-terms/
So I have been trying to figure out why Verizon wouldn't have picked up the iPhone deal to have a huge advantage over the rest of the cell market, now I see why.....I know im late in seeing this news from USA Today, but all I can say is if and when AT&T makes it up here, be it 2, 5, 8 years from now, Verizon will be losing me, unless another carrier picks up the iPhone when the contract deal is over with AT&T.
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Have you used the iPhone yet? It's a big POS
The keyboard sucks, seriously go try to type one on. No 3rd party development (officially). It uses 2G EDGE tech (meaning your going to be waiting minutes for a page to load, without images... think 14.4k modem).
If I were Verizon, I would have told Apple to go fuck themselves too. Apple is not in the position to make demands like that. Big deal, the iPhone is pretty. Apple lost out by not getting on board to the EV-DO Data rates that Verizon (and in some places, Sprint) have.
I still don't see where you think the iPhone is giving Att/Cingular an advantage over the rest of the cell phone market. Even if the iPhone continues to sell at a high rate, you won't see any of the shortcomings of the network itself being fixed. Cingular / ATT has the worst service throughout the country hands down. iPhone already been hacked quite a bit, full unlocking to other GSM carriers is within days (aka tmobile).
Apple continues to cater to a small market, and the iPhone will follow the same trend. For the broad market, who is the iPhone targeted to? It's expensive, its not productive (slow load times, no editing of industry standard documents, no real tools for business people)... so that would leave the style concious, the apple fan boys (oh god), and fad followers... Think of it as apple's share in the total PC market and the people who pay more... for less.
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A little off topic but I thought this was hilarious...
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HandoEX;176241 wrote:
A little off topic but I thought this was hilarious...
http://www.filecabi.net/video/062907-firstiphone1.htmlLol yeah I watched that a few days ago, what a moron!
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Jim;176218 wrote:
Have you used the iPhone yet? It's a big POSThe keyboard sucks, seriously go try to type one on. No 3rd party development (officially). It uses 2G EDGE tech (meaning your going to be waiting minutes for a page to load, without images... think 14.4k modem).
If I were Verizon, I would have told Apple to go fuck themselves too. Apple is not in the position to make demands like that. Big deal, the iPhone is pretty. Apple lost out by not getting on board to the EV-DO Data rates that Verizon (and in some places, Sprint) have.
I still don't see where you think the iPhone is giving Att/Cingular an advantage over the rest of the cell phone market. Even if the iPhone continues to sell at a high rate, you won't see any of the shortcomings of the network itself being fixed. Cingular / ATT has the worst service throughout the country hands down. iPhone already been hacked quite a bit, full unlocking to other GSM carriers is within days (aka tmobile).
Apple continues to cater to a small market, and the iPhone will follow the same trend. For the broad market, who is the iPhone targeted to? It's expensive, its not productive (slow load times, no editing of industry standard documents, no real tools for business people)... so that would leave the style concious, the apple fan boys (oh god), and fad followers... Think of it as apple's share in the total PC market and the people who pay more... for less.
That being said, the closest chance I, as well as anyone else here have to being able to even check one out is going to St. Cloud or Minneapolis. Ive only heard good reviews, yours being the first bad one. But I listen to all opinions and expieriences.
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I've read quite a few reviews that basically list the same stuff I do...
It really depends on what its used for I guess. If your talking about the typical iPod user, yeah I'm sure it's great (but I've read many gripes even from them about the speed of 2G EDGE stuff).
What's the point of having a true wireless device such as a phone, if you can only use it tolerably at a wi-fi spot?
If your talking about comparisions to other available PDA/Phone combos it's quite lacking.
I guess what I'm saying is that, with it costing $599 w/ 2 yr contract... that's like shelling out $799 with any other phone, as you genearlly get a $200 off w/ the 2/yr contract ($300 w/ verzion's advance device credit), you'd get more for your money other places (in terms of functionality, it does look cool though).
I've owned plenty of phones w/ keyboards, PDA phones and PDA's... and using one finger to hunt and peck any length text is just a pain in the ass... with a REAL keyboard on PDA phones being able to use both thumbs, I'm able to type at a quick rate. I don't have the patience to wait for things to load (on computers) and get frusterated when it takes me longer then the computer to input something in to a device.
Here are some quotes from CNET's review:
"Don't get us wrong, the iPhone is a lovely device with a sleek interface, top-notch music and video features, and innovative design touches. The touch screen is easier to use than we expected, and the multimedia performs well. But a host of missing features, a dependency on a sluggish EDGE network, and variable call quality--it is a phone after all--left us wanting more. For those reasons, the iPhone is noteworthy not for what it does, but how it does it. If you want an iPhone badly, you probably already have one. But because you'll have to sign an iPhone-specific two-year contract with AT&T to activate your iPhone after you've already shelled out $499 for the 4GB iPhone or $599 for the 8GB model, we suggest you wait until the phone comes down in price and the network improves. Hopefully, both will happen soon."
"Still, the interface and keyboard have a long way to go to achieve greatness. For starters, when typing an e-mail or text message the keyboard is displayed only when you hold the iPhone vertically. As a result, we could only type comfortably with one finger, which cut down on our typing speed. Using two hands is possible, but we found it pretty crowded to type with both thumbs while holding the iPhone at the same time. What's more, basic punctuation such as periods or commas lives in a secondary keyboard--annoying. If you're a frequent texter or an e-mail maven, we suggest a test-drive first. "
"When not using Wi-Fi, you're stuck with AT&T's EDGE network, which is just too slow to render the lovely Safari interface enjoyably. With speeds in the 50-to-90Kbps range, it reminded us of a dial-up browser. In other words, it's pretty intolerable. We can only hope Apple adds 3G soon, especially since AT&T has a robust UMTS/HSDPA network. "
"Though Apple CEO Steve Jobs has explained the iPhone's lack of 3G support by saying the chipsets take up too much room and drain too much battery, we'd like the option anyway. Yes, the Wi-Fi network is great when you can get it, but AT&T's EDGE network just doesn't cut it for all other surfing. EDGE Web browsing is so slow, it almost ruins the pretty Web interface. More on this in the Performance section."
"You can read--but not edit--PDF, JPEG, Word, and Excel documents. Worse: you can't cut and paste text when composing messages. "
"Unfortunately, the Phone does not have a battery that a user can replace. That means you have to send the iPhone to Apple to replace the battery after it's spent (Apple is estimating one battery will last for 400 charges--probably about two years' worth of use). "
"Unfortunately, the headset jack on the top end is deeply recessed, which means you will need an adapter for any headphones with a chubby plug. Is this customer-friendly? No. "
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Oh, and if you've never used Cingular before, I suggest giving it a try or talking to somebody who has it. Cingular = by FAR the worst nationwide carrier. Check thier coverage map, from what I hear there are parts of the country that basically have no service (west virgina, virgina, etc).
GSM is old and outdated anyway, even with HSDPA services coming available in the next few years, EVDO revision's a and b stomp it.
HSDPA's theoretical maximum is 1.8mbps, and real world tests show somewhere between .8 and 1 mbps real world performance.
Current generation EVDO's claim is 2.4mbps and with revision B claiming 9mbps. Try that on a GSM network. I've personally seen speeds of 1mbps and higher using a EVDO pda.
More from switched.com:
One of the iPhone's major shortfalls is the fact that it runs on AT&T's aging EDGE network, which, in terms of download speeds, pales in comparison to true 3G networks such as Verizon's EVDO. You ever notice how the ads showing the iPhone's Web capabilities never show the actual loading of an Internet page? That's because it would be embarrassing!
EDGE is capped at 100 kilobits per second, which is about twice the speed of the fastest dial-up connection, though real-life performance is often only about half of that. EVDO, on the other hand, can hit 1.4 megabits per second (with real life-speeds between 500 to 600 kilobits per second), while AT&T's own HSDPA network has a max of 1.8 megabits per second (real life at about 700 to 900 kilobytes per second).
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dubbsy;176293 wrote:
so Jim, what's verizon got for a good phone in, say middle range?I need a new one soon.
For $129 w/ contract, you can get the Samsung u740. I'm very happy with it. Flip keyboard comes in handy.
I had 4 LG VX-8600's that all failed on me... would not recommend that, the 8700, the chocolate or the Env as they are all based on the same phone.
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dubbsy;176293 wrote:
so Jim, what's verizon got for a good phone in, say middle range?I need a new one soon.
I know I'm not Jim, but I'll give you my $0.02. I have the RAZR V3M or V3C I don't remember which, and it has been the best phone I've had to date. The battery life is amazing, reception is really good (compared to my old LG). It's super thin and light. I know Bader has the same phone and he also loves his.
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treimche;176308 wrote:
I know I'm not Jim, but I'll give you my $0.02. I have the RAZR V3M or V3C I don't remember which, and it has been the best phone I've had to date. The battery life is amazing, reception is really good (compared to my old LG). It's super thin and light. I know Bader has the same phone and he also loves his.I was thinking about either the newest Razr or the Slvr. I've still got my E815 and it's been a great phone so I've got no issues going Motorola again.
That U740 looked cool but I'm not sure I like the qwerty keypad. Seems like the buttons are awfully small and I really don't text message enough to make it necessary.
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im a tech guy and love new tech stuff. the best thing i see for consumers up here is that being the iPhone not offered makes it better for others to use it, test it, and make better revisions later. i understand gsm is old. verizon has been the best service to date for me, but i dont really like the phones being offered. i have the Q and like it. second one i have. first one didn't have any of the updates and couldn't update for some reason so my buddy at verizon gave me a new one. things is good, but since i got a imac last sept, i have been on a windows hate trip since. i hate that my Q is windows. id like something mac user friendly so to speak. i understand their are short falls of the iphone, but that is like any new tech that a company comes out with. takes several revisions to make it right. I have yet to see 1 product that was 100% perfect when it came out the first time. im sure years from now apple will come out with a cdma version, at least hopefully, that is better than the one now and is available on another network. be it 2 years, 5 years, or more. it all is up to them and the contracts that they come out with. i dont understand why AT&T due to the coverage, although they claim it is because it has the best coverage, but from what I have seen on the maps, it doesn't look like it has any good coverage, let alone, compareable coverage to Verizon. I guess we will all see what happens to PDA/Smartphones in the years to come since that is the next wave of tech for every phone.
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friend of mine at alltel was telling me they are comming out with a new razer v9 or some shit like that i dont realy remember.
another thing i heard about the iphone is that you cant get ring tones from your music library
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JN607;176336 wrote:
Anyone who pays upwards of 500 dollars for a phone with a 2 year service contract has some serious issues. There's alot 500 dollars could do, why waste it on an Apple?everything has a price and because someone is willing to pay so much for something doesn't mean they have issues. your statement is similar to saying "someone paying $80Gs for a viper has some similar issues when they could have bought a vette for less". if you dont wanna pay so much for something is up to you, dont judge people based on what they spend their money on. im not a smoker, but im not going to go around telling people that they have some serious issues spending $5+ a day on cigarettes when they could spend it on something else.
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