Michael Vick

[killer69penguin]

StangerBanger96;178301 wrote:
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I hope he gets the maximum and then gets murdered when he gets out.

To the people who are semi-condoning it or saying "it's not a human" I will tell you this. You kill a police dog/horse you get charged with killing a police officer. Dogs are put on the same pedestal as humans in some aspects of life and to say that he shouldn't be punished just because humans are allowed to kill some animals and not others is sick. There is a HUGE fucking difference between shooting an animal in the head/body and having it die humanely and quickly vs putting 2 dogs against each other in a pit and watching them fight to the slow, painful, and miserable death.

I too have libertarian leanings but there are some laws that need to be passed and enforced and any law banning torture of animals (then you have to start defining torture because people are fucking manipulative and sick fucks). You have to decide what is more important, your political beliefs or your moral beliefs regarding life.

how many flies have you killed in your lifetime, sure dosent seem right to me they didnt do anything to you

and as for vick the part that pisses me off is the fact that he WAS treated differently because of his status and in a bad way not a good way, as i said i have read up on this incident greatly and there was an initial investigation of everyhting and the officers in charge thought it was done properly then out of nowhere some people from a higher service come on in and also investigate everything, even the local police initally investigating the incident were mad about this happening, and in other stories it was said that in almost any case of dog fighting none of it would be taking this extreme, there same sentace for the crime but the process of how it is being done is not fair to vick no matter what he did, our justice system is completely fucked if OJ can walk free and Vick spends 6 years in prision

[STiSchucky]

killer69penguin;178311 wrote:
how many flies have you killed in your lifetime, sure dosent seem right to me they didnt do anything to you

and as for vick the part that pisses me off is the fact that he WAS treated differently because of his status and in a bad way not a good way, as i said i have read up on this incident greatly and there was an initial investigation of everyhting and the officers in charge thought it was done properly then out of nowhere some people from a higher service come on in and also investigate everything, even the local police initally investigating the incident were mad about this happening, and in other stories it was said that in almost any case of dog fighting none of it would be taking this extreme, there same sentace for the crime but the process of how it is being done is not fair to vick no matter what he did, our justice system is completely fucked if OJ can walk free and Vick spends 6 years in prision
Comparing a fly to a dog? Is that how low you guys have to go to try and keep a legit argument here?

Sorry I've never heard of fly fights, nor is it being realistic. Much like your arugment.

His million dollar status is not any different then any other case. In fact it's probably hurt him more since his initial plea was 'he never checked on the place so he never knew what was going on.' Yea. Right.

How many dog fighting cases outside of this have you compared this one to? My guess would be...zero. How easy it it for someone to say that this is getting more fuel cause of his popularity and that he's being treated unfair? I dont care. I hate Vick. I think he's a classless piece of shit thug who deserves nothing that he's made being a pro athlete. I use the term pro loosely cause he actually sucks a lot. Did those other stories mention how much money are being sought into these fights? Do extreme southern, rural hoods in Mississippi have the gambling ring that Vick, his rich boys do in Virginia? I highly doubt it.

Please elaborate how it isn't fair, and how we should feel bad for this thug. Again, I don't care about the dogs. I feel bad for them, but I stated I don't mourn their losses, but NO such creature should be bred like that, live that sort of life etc. If you can't agree that dogs are a tad more humane then say a fucking fly, well you're probably just as fucked up in the head as Vick is thinking he should get away with this without a breaking a sweat

[Guest]

I'm with Kirk on this one. As stated before by anyone with common sense on this thread, killing/torturing any animal for the pure joy of it is stupid. If flies, mosquitoes, mice, rats, etc... didn't spread disease/bite me/be a nuisance I would probably not be for the killing of them (I love dragon flies, for example, and never intentionally kill them...skeeter-eaters them boys are). IOW I am all for protecting/providing for your own species when it comes to killing animals. If you want to buy a dog and eat it, I have no problem with your doing so, but if you want to torture it and aggravate it to the point where it fights other dogs to survive and then kill it when it loses (or wins for that matter), I have a problem with it..

[weshole]

Not to mention, it was all for monitary gain. What little it may be for. None of these fights were for free. It's all bullshit. I don't care how much of a celebrity he is. To me, that has no bearing on how I feel. He could be my neighbor or even my brother and I'd still believe his penalty should be severe.

[killer69penguin]

i will fight this one forever because it is jsut my opinion i guess
but also i say again i dont think this is right in anyway and is jsut plan wrong to do!!!!! i love dogs, but thats not the point i am trying to make
kirk you say how you hate vick because he sucks and how he acts, it may seem that way but i give him a lot of credit, i am personally also not the biggest fan of vick but to have that much media attention on one single person you are jsut waiting for them to screw up, that goes for any famous person, everyone makes mistakes but its famos peoples ones that get blown way out of proportion and i fell bad for them for that, that is basically the point i am trying to make

[STiSchucky]

killer69penguin;178324 wrote:
i will fight this one forever because it is jsut my opinion i guess
but also i say again i dont think this is right in anyway and is jsut plan wrong to do!!!!! i love dogs, but thats not the point i am trying to make
kirk you say how you hate vick because he sucks and how he acts, it may seem that way but i give him a lot of credit, i am personally also not the biggest fan of vick but to have that much media attention on one single person you are jsut waiting for them to screw up, that goes for any famous person, everyone makes mistakes but its famos peoples ones that get blown way out of proportion and i fell bad for them for that, that is basically the point i am trying to make
Media never helps. I know it. But this is happening to somebody I absolutely can not stand, but that shouldn't be the issue at hand here.

How do you not see what hes doing to humane animals ie electrocuting, hanging, suffocating, drowning etc, while they still have a pulse not punishable worthy?

Just answer that one question without the bail out answer aka his rights shouldn't be fucked with because humans are are above the law instead of dogs.

[Guest]

STiSchucky;178325 wrote:
How do you not see what hes doing to humane animals ie electrocuting, hanging, suffocating, drowning etc, while they still have a pulse not punishable worthy?

That is the part that got me the most. Dog fighting is certainly wrong to begin with, but why torture the dog any worse after the fight? I simple bullet would be much more humane IMHO.

[STiSchucky]

tjamz;178328 wrote:
That is the part that got me the most. Dog fighting is certainly wrong to begin with, but why torture the dog any worse after the fight? I simple bullet would be much more humane IMHO.
Hell I think outside of an absolute life and death situation, anything with the killing of dogs for the sole purpose of killing them and making their lives miserable is just wrong. That includes buying them to eat them.

THats just the american in me though

[killer69penguin]

as bad as i feel for saying it yes....... humans are better then dogs and most everyone will agree with that, i know im just trying to prove a point but it makes sense to me
and it is not humane what has been done to the dogs yet at the same time i think its wrong to lock some guys up for years and waste there lives for doing so, find a punishment that better fits the chrime, as for what i believe about the incident, i bet it was started bak when vick wasnt in the nfl to make some money for him, then a year later (2002) he stopped doing so because he didnt need money, but it kept going without him, thats what i think happened and the media is jsut looking for someone to blame to get a story rather then the guys that keep doing it, and as a person if most of us were in his shoes and got frustrated we would say things that made us look bad like flipping off the crowd during his game i know i sure would do something like that at least

[killer69penguin]

just to elaborate a little on what the media has affected, vick has been proved of absoutly nothing so far!!!!! yet the commisioner of the nfl wont let vick attend the falcons training camp, is that fair?

[STiSchucky]

Its tough. I think he needs some time in the slammer to re-think the direction hes going in his life, who he hangs out with, what hes doing off the field etc. Everyone and the father knows these programs the NFL sticks their players into never works. Ricky Williams and his weed, Koren Robinson and his alcohol abuse while driving are the first 2 i think off the top of my head.

Granted the way we're handling this now, without the facts is pretty un-fair like if I think back to the Duke Lacrosse scandal, but knowing his history, his loser brother, his backround, I think its pretty legit that this guy got himself into some serious deep shit involving the law and the feds. I'll let it play itself out now, but tonight the commish is advising Vick not to attend training camp which is borderline suspension.(I think its a paid leave so it shouldnt classify as a suspension)

I dont know if thats the right thing but if he's going to be in court more then on the field and just cause that much of a distraction to the team if he was present, it could be the right move.

It's definately going to be something to watch for because sports as we know is in a big hole of shit which absolutely sucks cause many know how big of a sports fan I am.

[killer69penguin]

yep will agree with you there on those examples, and hes not advising vick to not attend he said he is not allowed to attend
and yes like i said i think he did have a small part of what happened, i jsut dont believe he has done anyhting in the last 5 years or so but who knows i guess i just wish the facts would be made before anything happens and now with Vick not being allowed in training camp he is already getting punished..........

[Guest]

I'm trying to figure out how he CAN'T know what was going on at a property that he owned. I will say this, the US Gov't usually doesn't lose cases it tries, so when you are indicted by a federal grand jury, you know there is some serious shit going down....how much overall involvement he had remains to be seen.

Someone earlier mentioned the OJ trial and how he's walking free after being acquitted of double murder....I watched that trial closely (I worked at a place that sold tv's at the time...it was all we had to do when we weren't working) and <u>based on what the jury was allowed to hear</u>, there was no way that I could have found OJ guilty. Credit that to an excellent defense team and a prosecuting team that had way too many holes in their case to make the case that he was guilty beyond the shadow of a doubt.

[killer69penguin]

yeah that was me that mentioned the OJ thing and i wasnt compairing the cases, all i was saying is how fucked up our judical system is getting if OJ dosent get charged and Vick could go to jail for 6 years for this

[Guest]

OJ was charged with it, much like Vick is being charged...OJ got off after going through a media circus and long courtroom battle.

[StangerBanger96]

Penguin you're missing one big point here with your fly to dog analogy. When I swat a fly, it's dead INSTANTLY. I'm not arguing that dogs are better than people (I think they are in many ways, there are some fucked up people on this planet) but I am arguing that NO animal deserves to be tortured and then killed. Nobody has the right to buy an animal for the sole purpose of fighting it against another animal, nor do they have the right to torture it. Go ahead and fight all you want for the fact that animals are not on the same level as people, nobody here is really disagreeing with that. What we are saying is that if you are going to kill an animal you better have a reason for killing it and you'd better make it die as quickly and painlessly as possible.

[Bookem]

This just made my day. I normally avoid Fox news as a whole, but saw this on another forum.
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,293268,00.html
" Michael Vick has to stop physically hurting my feelings and dashing my hopes" :lol:

[STiSchucky]

yea thats hillarious

[SPANISH-RICE]

" for relief, the plaintiff seeks 63,000,000,000 billion dollars backed by gold and silver deliverd via UPS united states parcel service"

HAHAHAHA http://www.foxnews.com/projects/pdf/riches_jonathan_file.pdf thats great.