Is GOD real?
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2wheeler;198247 wrote:
Back on topic. Like I thought, when asked about personal things, most "Christians" will back away from the table, and not "represent" their religion. Wonder why that is?Do you honestly want Matt (or anyone else) to discuss his sins on a public forum? (I can never tell when you are serious or not) Maybe you'd like to discuss your ED problem? lol (j/k)
BTW, I'd love to see the street race, bring it on. (yes, that goes for my car too.
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2wheeler;197888 wrote:
And why do so many "Christians" not live their life according to the Bible. It is the word of Christ, right?Christian is a very watered down word. Most people claiming to be christians are not. So true christians do live according to the bible.
Of course I make mistakes. But grace picks me up every time. It's a realationship with my heavenly father.
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2wheeler;198247 wrote:
A bit off topic, but we can street race anytime big shooter (Matt).Back on topic. Like I thought, when asked about personal things, most "Christians" will back away from the table, and not "represent" their religion. Wonder why that is?
We'll have to see how this summer goes. Ethan's going to get his ass handed to him at the track and now the street too.
Oh yeah..street racing is illegal..and since I'm a Christian, that wouldn't be a good example to my unbelieving friend Ethan. The only person you should pattern your life after is Christ, since he is the only one who represented the perfect Christian life. I can only pray and hope to be like Christ and it is only with his help that I can even come close. We have a sin nature and it is a constant battle to be Christ like....or a "Christian". Plain ole humans will let you down every time if you put your faith in one of them.
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StangerBanger96;197930 wrote:
I think the number one threat to "Religion" is the "Church". If you actually sat down and looked at it, many things the Church/high religious authorities do or say are contradictory to God's word. Any church that hates homosexuals or anything like that is a hypocritical institution I believe. If they TRUELY followed God's word they'd leave the judgments to him and do everything they could to help people follow God and be saved.I think this is a big reason there is a fairly strong anti-religion movement lately. The church is becoming oppressive again it seems and is really doing a good job at turning people away from morality and anything even remotely religious in nature. Pretty sad if you ask me...
In what way is the church oppressing you? Disapproving of a life style such as homosexuality is not the same as oppressing.
What christian church is turning people alway from morality?
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2wheeler;197936 wrote:
Oh, and any of the religious types on here. feel free to explain the actions of all the priests that like to fuck little boys.Those religious "leaders", the ones you may be listening to every Sunday, are child molesters. It could be your pastor.
Let me guess, as long as they are truly sorry, they'll go to "heaven".
If that's true, I don't wanna go there(a place that accepts child molesters).
Using your logic...
Some fathers have molested children. It could be your father...
weak
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If that's true, I don't wanna go there(a place that accepts child molesters).
Man, where do i find out which gas stations and grocery stores don't serve child molesters? I wan't to make sure I don't do business there.. gas that's good enough for child molesters isn't good enough for me. And produce? No way!
On earth, it may make sense to convince yourself that you're so much better than "child molesters". To God, sin is sin. An unsaved "normal guy" and an unsaved child molester can have a grand old time arguing who gets to sit in the front row on the big bus heading towards damnation.
What won't change is that they're on the same bus.
If you meet anyone that you think behaves "well enough" to be a "real christian" -- you're wrong (unless you've met Jesus and aren't spreading the love). This doesn't excuse habitual unrepentant sinners, who appear to be Christian in name only (only God knows the heart of a man), but it's important to stress the point that nobody behaves "good enough" to meet the standard of admission for heaven. No one may enter via their own righteousness. It is Just for God to send us all to hell.
But his compassion allows him to forgive us, if only we can be humble enough to truly ask for it.
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DaveH;198268 wrote:
Do you honestly want Matt (or anyone else) to discuss his sins on a public forum? (I can never tell when you are serious or not)From what I have learned, some sins can be little things. That's what I was getting at. I wasn't asking Matt to put his dirty laundry on Front Street.
I was more leaning toward something small during Matt's day that he might do/say, that afterwards, he may think of how he could have done it in a more Christian manner.
Unfortunately, I try to ask questions like this to people who would try to have me believe in a faith, but are unable to give me real answer to real questions. What they do, is gang up with other "Christians" and avoid those questions. Happens every time.
I mentioned the guy I work with earlier to show that there are people like him who can stand their ground and represent their religion to the fullest. As much crap as he may get from others, he stands firm on all his beliefs, and will not compromise on them. Like I said, he studies the bible. I'm surprised that more Christians don't have his level of commitment to their faith. This is after all, what you are modeling your life after, and how you are hoping you will live your life for eternity. Isn't it?
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Mazdaspeed6;198274 wrote:
Christian is a very watered down word. Most people claiming to be christians are not. So true christians do live according to the bible.Of course I make mistakes. But grace picks me up every time. It's a realationship with my heavenly father.
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thrash;198287 wrote:
Man, where do i find out which gas stations and grocery stores don't serve child molesters? I wan't to make sure I don't do business there.. gas that's good enough for child molesters isn't good enough for me. And produce? No way!Good try at humor, but apples to oranges. God knows who did what, and still lets them in.
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Ok, I guess I took your question about sins as a joke/poke at Matt. If it's a honest question, then here goes.
There are no "small" or "little" sins. The bible teaches that if you keep all the commandments except one, then you have broken them all.
The question that you initially asked "Would you mind explaining this further? Please list examples." when Matt said we all fall short, and try to do better.
Here are some examples:
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you get cut off in traffic and you swear and flip off the chump that cut you off. Instead of letting bad drivers like that get the best of me, I make myself stay calm and let it roll off my back. (Matt knows I'm very good at this LOL).
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you see someone else's GF or wife and think "I want some of that". This can be very difficult to do, but you have to try to put those kind of thoughts out of your mind.
re: the child molesters. These people are not mentally sane, I can't say that I know for sure what judgement would be on them. What the bible says is that if you repent and ask for forgiveness (repenting being the critical thing here, you can't just ask for forgiveness without actually feeling deep down in your heart that you seriously messed up and you will never do the same thing again) then God will forgive you. Do these child molesters repent? Thats for God to decide.
Ask away, if you have serious questions I'll answer them the best I can. I'm far from a biblical scholar LOL, but I do my best. And yes, I read/study the bible. Probably not as much as I should, but I do the best I can.
dh
2wheeler;198308 wrote:
From what I have learned, some sins can be little things. That's what I was getting at. I wasn't asking Matt to put his dirty laundry on Front Street.I was more leaning toward something small during Matt's day that he might do/say, that afterwards, he may think of how he could have done it in a more Christian manner.
Unfortunately, I try to ask questions like this to people who would try to have me believe in a faith, but are unable to give me real answer to real questions. What they do, is gang up with other "Christians" and avoid those questions. Happens every time.
I mentioned the guy I work with earlier to show that there are people like him who can stand their ground and represent their religion to the fullest. As much crap as he may get from others, he stands firm on all his beliefs, and will not compromise on them. Like I said, he studies the bible. I'm surprised that more Christians don't have his level of commitment to their faith. This is after all, what you are modeling your life after, and how you are hoping you will live your life for eternity. Isn't it?
DaveH
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2wheeler;198311 wrote:
Good try at humor, but apples to oranges. God knows who did what, and still lets them in.I don't know who God lets in and who he doesn't.
It's all kind of irrelevant because what God does is intrinsically just. Why are you worried about if child molesters get in or not? Irrespective of the outcome, the Judgement will be correct.
If you're worried about it, don't molest children. Which is pretty good advice, in general...
If you're worried that God won't make the "correct" decision in the case of child molesters, by all means, don't beleive -- becuase you already don't.
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Parker;198326 wrote:
Will someone please explain to me why everyone assumes you need to go to church to worship God?I don't. I believe believers are to "not forsake the assembly of yourselves" but gather in like minds and to worship together. You go to build one another up. You go to focus on the one thing and that is Christ. You certainly will not go to hell for not going. It has nothing to do with it. Nothing WE do will make a difference if we go to heaven or hell...it's what Christ did and all WE have to do is accept what he did...repent of our sins and then believe and follow him. Going to church, tithing, reading the bible, and just trying to live a righteous life is just response for what he did on the cross for us.
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thrash;198322 wrote:
I don't know who God lets in and who he doesn't.It's all kind of irrelevant because what God does is intrinsically just. Why are you worried about if child molesters get in or not? Irrespective of the outcome, the Judgement will be correct.
If you're worried about it, don't molest children. Which is pretty good advice, in general...
If you're worried that God won't make the "correct" decision in the case of child molesters, by all means, don't beleive -- becuase you already don't.
Not worried at all. Just confused as to why people would support an institution where someone that uses the word "Jesus" is vain is the exact same, no better/worse, that someone who rapes a 6 year old child.
I don't think I know you, your age, your life(marriage, kids, etc.), but I guarantee you this......If someone touches a kid of mine(hypothetical, I have no kids yet) like that, while you may let God deal with them and forgive them......I will beat that motherfucker within an inch of his life, if not kill him. It is were a friend of mine's kid, I would do the same. I'm not even trying to be tough, or anything like that. What I said is what would happen. I would spend time in jail for that, and I wouldn't condemn anyone else for doing the same thing.
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2wheeler;198310 wrote:
If so, at least he wasn't pussy enough to hide in a church and pretend to do "Gods work". That, son, is weak.You know what. I gotta be honest with you man. There are some pretenders in my church. I don't know if that makes them pussies. More like hypocrites.
I know what it's like to feel disenfranchised by the church. Trust me I do. How do I know... I grew up a pk go figure...
I could have become bitter and resorted to drugs/alcohol/loose women(really wanted those for a while). But, I realized that we humans are imperfect vessels. We all have holes. We don't hold the holy spirit like we should. Grace plugs those holes.
It hard when you look up to a christian and they let you down. It really is, I mean they're supposed to be all close to God n stuff right? I dare say, I have been stabbed in the back by christians more than most people on the forum... Is that God's fault? No, it's their fault. I've decided I'm not going to hold a grudge against my heavenly father for what some of His children did to me. After all, I as a child of God have hurt others too.
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2wheeler;198335 wrote:
Not worried at all. Just confused as to why people would support an institution where someone that uses the word "Jesus" is vain is the exact same, no better/worse, that someone who rapes a 6 year old child.I don't think I know you, your age, your life(marriage, kids, etc.), but I guarantee you this......If someone touches a kid of mine(hypothetical, I have no kids yet) like that, while you may let God deal with them and forgive them......I will beat that motherfucker within an inch of his life, if not kill him. It is were a friend of mine's kid, I would do the same. I'm not even trying to be tough, or anything like that. What I said is what would happen. I would spend time in jail for that, and I wouldn't condemn anyone else for doing the same thing.
Well, like I said, I don't know exactly how it all goes down, only that whatever God decides, it is just.
In terms of how I would feel and what I'd do here on Earth? Would it meet the standard of Jesus? Probably not. Nothing I do in any spectrum of my life does...
I hear that the Marines are fond of saying.. "it's up to God to sort em out. It's up to us to arrange the meeting".
What we are commanded to do, and what we actually do are separated by a wide gap. That gap is so wide that none of us can cross it to get into heaven. Some people forget that. The pharisees forgot that most prominantly, and that is why Jesus was pwning them all the time.
The standard of the law is set very high. We're not released from the law in the sense that whether we try and follow it or not doesn't matter. Jesus "released us from the law" in the sense that if we truly ask him to, he'll help us bridge the gap.
I think if a child molester truly asks for forgivness, God is big enough to give it to him.
Alternatively, I think that if someone uses the lord's name in vain constantly, and truly in his heart beleives that God getting bent out of shape over someone using his name profanely is stupid, and God should just suck it up... or that God doesn't even matter... yeah.. that person not only won't be on equal footing with a repentant child molester... they're going to hell.
Can I explain to you how that is justice? Do I feel like that policy makes the world a better place? Not really. But it's the truth. Someday, I hope God can explain it to me face to face. Until then, I'll continue to assume that he only does what is right and just, and if I can't make heads or tails of it, that's my problem, not his.
I plan on having an eternity to figure it all out
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fallguy;198328 wrote:
I don't. I believe believers are to "not forsake the assembly of yourselves" but gather in like minds and to worship together. You go to build one another up. You go to focus on the one thing and that is Christ. You certainly will not go to hell for not going. It has nothing to do with it. Nothing WE do will make a difference if we go to heaven or hell...it's what Christ did and all WE have to do is accept what he did...repent of our sins and then believe and follow him. Going to church, tithing, reading the bible, and just trying to live a righteous life is just response for what he did on the cross for us. I'm sure some religions do put more importance on it that what they should. They have to pay the bills I guess.
thank you.. that is how i feel also....
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