Is the USA the greatest country in the world?
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JohnW;198105 wrote:
(bush didn't win the popular vote btw, remember)Yeah, and its crazy that he won the state that would put him over perfectly, and it happened to be his brothers state. Yeah I'm completely happy with our president and our government. Now granted, I didn't vote last election because I hate Kerry(that guy SCARED me, and I will vote dem almost everytime), and I couldn't be a part of letting Bush back into the White House. No matter what president we elect in the next election is going to have to spend 4 years cleaning up all the shit that was messed up from Bush, like the war on an idea... Atleast the oil prices will go down with a new president.
Whoever really thinks this is the best country in the world, probably needs to wake up. I'll use this as an example. Take a look at the value of our dollar. We used to be the "best", now we are worth the same or less than the canadian dollar! If that's not a sign of the times, I don't know what is. It's the fall of the American Empire. It was a good run, but we had to let a dodo head in the white house(if he was lib, I would be saying the same thing). There's a reason why Bush just signed a bill that locks interests rates, the economy sucks dick! Now, I'm not saying we can't be the best again, but we all need to be united. We need another FDR.
I don't know, maybe I'm alone on this one, but I just see way too much wrong right now to be worried about boasting that we are the best.
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PSiedTSi;198218 wrote:
Whoever really thinks this is the best country in the world, probably needs to wake up. I'll use this as an example. Take a look at the value of our dollar. We used to be the "best", now we are worth the same or less than the canadian dollar! If that's not a sign of the times, I don't know what is. It's the fall of the American Empire. It was a good run, but we had to let a dodo head in the white house(if he was lib, I would be saying the same thing). There's a reason why Bush just signed a bill that locks interests rates, the economy sucks dick! Now, I'm not saying we can't be the best again, but we all need to be united. We need another FDR.I don't know, maybe I'm alone on this one, but I just see way too much wrong right now to be worried about boasting that we are the best.
The American dollar being lower is actually a help to many people. Farmers, for example, have a much easier time exporting wheat/barley/corn/etc... when the dollar is lower. The downside, of course, is that gas and other commodities we import are going to cost more. The dollar decreasing in value isn't unheard of, I believe in 1981 the Canadian dollar was worth more than our dollar as well, and we had just come out of the Carter administration. The economy, fuel prices, everything is cyclical. It's all a part of balancing everyones place in the world economy.
Bush only locked interest rates on homeowners who haven't yet filed for bankruptcy or haven't been foreclosed on yet. This lock of rates only affects those w/ variable rate mortgages whose rates rose as interest rates were rising in an attempt to offset inflation. Some inflation, of course, is good, but sometimes rates need to be raised in an effort to keep it from ballooning out of control....and really, it is the consumers own fault for buying into variable rate mortgages. Why anyone would get into a longterm variable rate loan is beyond me.
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PSiedTSi;198218 wrote:
Yeah, and its crazy that he won the state that would put him over perfectly, and it happened to be his brothers state. Yeah I'm completely happy with our president and our government. Now granted, I didn't vote last election because I hate Kerry(that guy SCARED me, and I will vote dem almost everytime), and I couldn't be a part of letting Bush back into the White House. No matter what president we elect in the next election is going to have to spend 4 years cleaning up all the shit that was messed up from Bush, like the war on an idea... Atleast the oil prices will go down with a new president.Whoever really thinks this is the best country in the world, probably needs to wake up. I'll use this as an example. Take a look at the value of our dollar. We used to be the "best", now we are worth the same or less than the canadian dollar! If that's not a sign of the times, I don't know what is. It's the fall of the American Empire. It was a good run, but we had to let a dodo head in the white house(if he was lib, I would be saying the same thing). There's a reason why Bush just signed a bill that locks interests rates, the economy sucks dick! Now, I'm not saying we can't be the best again, but we all need to be united. We need another FDR.
I don't know, maybe I'm alone on this one, but I just see way too much wrong right now to be worried about boasting that we are the best.
This post is why Daveh is disturbed...as well as me. Like Dave said...."more people trying to come to America than people leaving".
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I think that this quote is needed
America...
America...
America, FUCK YEAH!
Coming again, to save the mother fucking day yeah,
America, FUCK YEAH!
Freedom is the only way yeah,
Terrorist your game is through cause now you have to answer too,
America, FUCK YEAH!
So lick my butt, and suck on my balls,
America, FUCK YEAH!
What you going to do when we come for you now,
it’s the dream that we all share; it’s the hope for tomorrowThis thread makes me want to watch Team America: World Police
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Dont really know alot about most other countries but i do know that im not moving out of this one and for you people saying that our rights are being violated this is true but ill give you a Charlton Heston you can come pry my guns out of my cold dead hands.
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fallguy;198228 wrote:
This post is why Daveh is disturbed...as well as me. Like Dave said...."more people trying to come to America than people leaving".So if people have a view that includes reality then we should get the fuck out? Is that what you are saying?
Rose colored glasses, jingoism ftl.
It's people like you guys who scare me.
I won't edit my post but I will add that I think the USA is the greatest 'country'. I will not say the USA has the greatest government.
OBEY
edit: i am probably going to get tazed for this
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JohnW;198249 wrote:
So if people have a view that includes reality then we should get the fuck out? Is that what you are saying?Rose colored glasses, jingoism ftl.
It's people like you guys who scare me.
I won't edit my post but I will add that I think the USA is the greatest 'country'. I will not say the USA has the greatest government.
OBEY
edit: i am probably going to get tazed for this
I have to agree.
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JohnW;198249 wrote:
So if people have a view that includes reality then we should get the fuck out? Is that what you are saying?What he said isn't that hard to comprehend. Basically if this country is so bad, why is everyone trying to come here?
DaveH
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DaveH;198258 wrote:
What he said isn't that hard to comprehend. Basically if this country is so bad, why is everyone trying to come here?Mexico? Cuba? Africa? China?
If I lived in a third world or extremely oppressed country, I'd want to move somewhere else too. I wonder how many people from those countries are also moving to other wealthy, more free countries.
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amicheze;198261 wrote:
Mexico? Cuba? Africa? China? If I lived in a third world or extremely oppressed country, I'd want to move somewhere else too. I wonder how many people from those countries are also moving to other wealthy, more free countries.So you don't think JohnW was a little off base with what he said to fallguy?
DaveH
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DaveH;198264 wrote:
So you don't think JohnW was a little off base with what he said to fallguy?Not really. I personally think that some people are able to see things how they really are, while others refuse to, whether it be out of fear of being called un-patriotic or blind patriotism.
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amicheze;198272 wrote:
Not really. I personally think that some people are able to see things how they really are, while others refuse to, whether it be out of fear of being called un-patriotic or blind patriotism.I honestly can't think of a better country where we can practice our religion without oppression, have the opportunity to be anything you want to be, make as much money as you want, have the best military in the world protecting you while at the same time flipping your finger at all of it! I personally can't think of any country that has as much opportunity as this one. Like I have said as well as Dave. If it sucked so much and if there was a country so much better, then why isn't everyone going there? The only reason we have issues is because all the people that don't belong here legally are sucking up all of our resources!!
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amicheze;198272 wrote:
Not really. I personally think that some people are able to see things how they really are, while others refuse to, whether it be out of fear of being called un-patriotic or blind patriotism.Ok, so let me recap just to make sure I'm clear.
Fallguy posts that he agreed with what I said, which was "more people want into the USA than want out"
John somehow misinterprets this and thinks that Fallguy is saying that people who think like John should gtfo of the country (at least thats what I'm guessing he thought??), and then John goes on with some insults based on his misunderstanding.
But that is cool?
DaveH
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I didn't think I said anything to insult anybody, I think i did misinterpret what he said, I guess if sometakes me saying that people with an opposing viewpoint scare me is a personal insult somebody needs to grow a thicker skin. i think alot of people come here because it is very easy to get in and get benefits. It is my understanding that some other countrys have more stringent requirements to stay in the country and generally dont offer the same benefits to the alien as they do to the citizens. I was born here and I don't get some of the same benefits. Im not arguing that I should be able to get assistance with my income, just that I don't think people that are not citizens of our country should get the same benefits as citizens. I think it is the responsibility of whatever country they come from to provide them with assistance if they have income problems. I realize that its wishful thinking and that isn't the case, but still. Sorry if I offended anyone, I didn't mean any comment directly at any one person.
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