Is the USA the greatest country in the world?
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bubba;198536 wrote:
actually they say in a few years white people wont be the majority in the US anymore...god help us then...I dont have a problem with other races coming into the US at all as long as they learn to speak our language and use it as their primary language. I personally hate when customers at my work come up and try to talk to me in Spanish/or any other language for that matter and get mad at me when i tell them i dont understand and ask them to speak english. They just look pissed and either leave or half ass their way through english and i still can barely understand them sometimes.
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Thats the thing most dont learn the language...which is irritating as hell...hell if i could get away with it i'd tell everyone that comes into work that i cant understand to fucking leave...
If white people become minorities do u think we'll get special treatment, fuck no....
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CivicEX7777777;198538 wrote:
I dont have a problem with other races coming into the US at all as long as they learn to speak our language and use it as their primary language.funny you mention that. On thanksgiving day, I was sitting at my parents house watching tv...think abc or something like that. all the sudden, some guy comes on a starts babbling about what an influence the latin culture has had in america. Then he goes on to say they are going to broadcast some primetime show in Spanish with english subtitles. needless to say, I got some weird looks from my parents as I started yelling at the tv this is america. we speak english here. why in the hell do we have to read what is being said on our tv. if you cant speak english get the hell out of here. If we go to other countries, they expect us to speak their language, and if we cant, well fuck us, we arent gettin around anywhere in that place.
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bubba;198536 wrote:
actually they say in a few years white people wont be the majority in the US anymore...god help us then...Oh god, if white ppl aren't the majority the whole world is doomed.......
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Not trying to piss anybody off because i fuckin hate when people cant speak english around here but the USA does not have an official language like most other countries so technically you cant say speak the language. None the less im not gonna learn other languages to accommodate these people.
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I don't really care what color, race, religion etc anyone is that immigrates to the USA as long as they come here legally, and come here to be come Americans. Not African-Americans, not Mexican-Americans, not Norweigian-Americans, not Muslim-Americans, not Christian-Americans, but AMERICANS... Period.
Lots of diversity, and the freedom to pursue your dreams is what has made this country great.
DaveH
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DaveH;198582 wrote:
I don't really care what color, race, religion etc anyone is that immigrates to the USA as long as they come here legally, and come here to be come Americans. Not African-Americans, not Mexican-Americans, not Norweigian-Americans, not Muslim-Americans, not Christian-Americans, but AMERICANS... Period.Lots of diversity, and the freedom to pursue your dreams is what has made this country great.
+100
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CivicEX7777777;198537 wrote:
The economy was doing pretty good (not perfect) when Clinton was in office atleast a lot better than it is now.The economy would be a lot better if some dems in the 30s wouldnt have started so many programs to let ppl freeload off the government...if ur poor get a job...and if ur too dumb to put away money for your retirement then that's ur own fault...our government shouldnt pay for people's mismanagement of money or pure laziness. I can see if u get laid off a little help till u can get to another job (which u should be immediately trying for)...but if someone just doesnt wanna work then fuck them, they should starve....
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DaveH;198582 wrote:
I don't really care what color, race, religion etc anyone is that immigrates to the USA as long as they come here legally, and come here to be come Americans. Not African-Americans, not Mexican-Americans, not Norweigian-Americans, not Muslim-Americans, not Christian-Americans, but AMERICANS... Period.Lots of diversity, and the freedom to pursue your dreams is what has made this country great.
Agreed 100 percent!
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DaveH;198582 wrote:
I don't really care what color, race, religion etc anyone is that immigrates to the USA as long as they come here legally, and come here to be come Americans. Not African-Americans, not Mexican-Americans, not Norweigian-Americans, not Muslim-Americans, not Christian-Americans, but AMERICANS... Period.Lots of diversity, and the freedom to pursue your dreams is what has made this country great.
Agreed also.....
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Used is a POT HEAD!!!
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DaveH;198582 wrote:
Lots of diversity, and the freedom to pursue your dreams is what has made this country great.100% agreed. just that is what makes anything great. but if you are going to make it a point to be apart of our country. do it the right way. coming here illegaly isnt diversity, its controversy. taking advantage of our governments money, that they spend to make an immigrant an actuall american citizen, isnt diversity. not dissagreeing with what you say but when anybody gets get a chance, take a walk through your nations capitol, whites, caucasians, REAL americans....they are the minorities.
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I've never used any illegal drug in my life. Druggies tend to piss me off on the occasions that I've dealt with them.
I'm pro legaliaztion, though. What people do in their home or at a private party is their business, not mine.
I think we can progressively repeal the war on drugs, and pot is a logical starting point. The affects of pot on a person are certainly no worse than alcohol consumption, and the damage done from alcoholism to the individual and to society seem to be considerably more impactful.
Every rapist that is let out of jail earliy to make room for someone using or selling pot is a total perversion of justice.
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bubba;198591 wrote:
The economy would be a lot better if some dems in the 30s wouldnt have started so many programs to let ppl freeload off the government...if ur poor get a job...and if ur too dumb to put away money for your retirement then that's ur own fault...our government shouldnt pay for people's mismanagement of money or pure laziness. I can see if u get laid off a little help till u can get to another job (which u should be immediately trying for)...but if someone just doesnt wanna work then fuck them, they should starve....This is where you have no clue about economics or government programs.....:icon_scratch: Deficit spending is not always bad for an economy but it can stimulate the economy. So the transfer payments used by the government can be a good thing. You cant think that everybody is a free loader. There are real disabled or povershed people that actually need this income. Also the federal programs that created jobs and helped us get out of the great depression was a good thing and they continued into the 50's with projects such as the new deal, interstate system, hoover dam, etc. It just does not have the impact on our economy these days because it is so much bigger. I do agree we should not support the freeloaders though and have a tougher system to beat.
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bubba;198691 wrote:
Considering that wasnt the only thing that go us out of the depression...WWII had a great deal to do with it...war stimulated our economy, especially when we werent fighting and just selling our weapons to other countries...Yes the govermnet funded war was good too...but all that shit wasnt pointless like you said earlier. Transfer payments can be good...especially with the multiplier effect.
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I think the lasting long term benefits of FDRs radical socialization of the US is open to debate. We now know that Social Security is a joke.
The Eisenhower interstate system amounted to massive subsidization of the personal car and long haul truck as the primary means of getting around our country. Our cities are now built on the assumption of 100% private vehicle ownership. Subsequently, people have 2 hr commutes, we have horrible smog problems, it is impossible to develop a cost-effective mass transit system (beacuse people don't realize the structural mass-subsidy of roads & private cars) and 60% of Americans are fat asses.
And yeah, Eisenhower figured out that the debt-backed expansion of government and the funneling of money to the war machine would create a virtuous business cycle... and specifically warned against it. And what we've subsequently seen is that every 15-20 years, we fight an unprovoked war off in some other place and there's massive opposition at home but a few people get really rich.
And the government's federal powers expand every time.
Many of the works projects and national parks created under FDR have fallen into disrepair. The govt can't afford to keep running them, and anti-property sociopaths would rather see them close or rot than be handed over to private control / ownership.
I think a case can be made that FDR was the worst president we ever had, in terms of setting the tone for the long decay of everything that made America worthwhile.
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thrash;198707 wrote:
I think the lasting long term benefits of FDRs radical socialization of the US is open to debate. We now know that Social Security is a joke.The Eisenhower interstate system amounted to massive subsidization of the personal car and long haul truck as the primary means of getting around our country. Our cities are now built on the assumption of 100% private vehicle ownership. Subsequently, people have 2 hr commutes, we have horrible smog problems, it is impossible to develop a cost-effective mass transit system (beacuse people don't realize the structural mass-subsidy of roads & private cars) and 60% of Americans are fat asses.
And yeah, Eisenhower figured out that the debt-backed expansion of government and the funneling of money to the war machine would create a virtuous business cycle... and specifically warned against it. And what we've subsequently seen is that every 15-20 years, we fight an unprovoked war off in some other place and there's massive opposition at home but a few people get really rich.
And the government's federal powers expand every time.
Many of the works projects and national parks created under FDR have fallen into disrepair. The govt can't afford to keep running them, and anti-property sociopaths would rather see them close or rot than be handed over to private control / ownership.
I think a case can be made that FDR was the worst president we ever had, in terms of setting the tone for the long decay of everything that made America worthwhile.
So lets say they did none of the above and did not try to stimulate the economy during those periods? Would we have left the depression sooner or later? Yes the New Deal was not the greatest plan in the world and hindsight is 20/20. What would you have done Thrash? You seem to have the answer for everything....
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I couldn't say what i'd have done.
My initial answer is "nothing", because my beleif is that the less the government does, the better off everyone is.
I don't claim to have an answer for everything. I'm not some brilliant politician or economist and as such I am not claiming to solve all your problems. What I do say is that a lot of government reaction has bad, unintended side effects, and is questionable at actually solving the problem(s) it was aimed at.
If there's anything to take away from a review of government action and the unintended consequences that followed, I'd say that a government that does as little as possible thereby does the minimal amount of damage.
Was "leaving" the depression as soon as possible even the right "goal"? Hasn't our economy been see-sawing ever since then? We now find ourselves with a fiat currency and an unaccountable federal reserve system?
Don't get me wrong -- I think people like FDR probably thought they were doing the best thing they could do at the time. That doesn't mean it turned out like roses and puppies after 70 years of an ugly world. We now find ourselves with 70 years of constant shifting towards a nanny state and hopefully a few of us are willing to reform or repeal that nannyism because we see what it has done in some other economies around the world, and what it is doing in our own society.
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