Why do people do this?

[legacy-user-544]

a 14 second STOCK grand prix? ill believe it when i see it.

[JohnW]

lots of people have mods on the ecotec engines in the cavaliers and saturns and whatnot and are pretty happy with them I think. that being said i'd never buy one. as for the grand ams and grand prix, they are as synonymous to me as cars for blonde girls' sweet 16 presents as jettas are to blonde girls' going away to college presents, so I don't look twice at them.

[Colin]

From what I've read etc, I would definitely work with the ecotec. I didn't know they came in cavaliers and saturns though.

[KA-T_240]

Zac, not all autos are FTMFW.

[YellowEvo]

i had a 97 gtp and i miss the car, it was fun to drive it was my first vehicle had it for 2 years my friends drov eit more then i did though cause i got it when i was 15 and they probably put more miles on it...

[uman44]

d^flex;201134 wrote:
a 14 second STOCK grand prix? ill believe it when i see it.

1997 Grand Prix GTP - 14.9 1/4 mile

I believe that was in Car Craft, so with some track prep it could get a little lower.

[no_slow_clap]

uman44;201152 wrote:
1997 Grand Prix GTP - 14.9 1/4 mile

I believe that was in Car Craft, so with some track prep it could get a little lower.

all hating aside that would be comparing a gtp to a base model honda. yea a gtp will walk all over a 92 civic cx. (like 72 horse)

but what i meant was that base model vs. base model with a few hundred added to each is that a civic SHOULD get the better of the gain....not saying it will

now if ur regal is the one i always see at the track in street legal days then i got props cuz i love that car. but like u said i see more in honda than gm as u see more in gm than honda. everyone has their own niche.

[capitlj]

I think its a matter of taste. i personally would much rather have the grand prix well because you can use it, whereas the civic you can maybe cram 4 adults into it...maybe. My brother and I are both over 6 feet tall and had no problems having three people sit behind us, who were also comfortable, in his 97 gp coupe. A civic coupe might as well not have a back seat its utterly useless. The rest of those cars I can't speak to but the Grand Prix, while it may be a boat, is a sporty car when compared to other cars in its class. The 1 code 3.8's are pretty sweet very durable and fun to drive even if they don't handle very well. They also are very attractive cars IMO the civic just looks cheap, which it is. At a certain point you have to realize where the road car dies and the track car lives, for a track car the grand prix is not the ideal platform, but for a nice, reliable, kinda fast, DD you can't lose.

Now the hijacking resumes

inspector01;201118 wrote:
You sure talk alot about how much better RWD and domestics are than whatever else for driving a piece of shit. I would put my money on a stock civic to out handle your car anyday.

I see so because my car, in particular, isnt fast yet i have no room to talk about this subject. I am simply stating an opinion, and yes for the record with the right mods my car could out handle any civic. Simply because of weight distribution and the massive aftermarket for fox chassis vehicles. Some foxes are extremely fast and with some weight reduction, a cage, new K-member, control arms, coil overs, and brakes my car could be made to handle very well. I could even put in an IRS if i wanted to and had the money. Keep your personal attacks to a minimum until we are face to face then you can say whatever you please, but I'm not personally attacking any civic owners. Just stating the obvious fact that RWD cars in general handle better than FWD ones, unless all those indy and Grand Touring teams lost the memo stating that FWD cars could out handle RWD ones.

[uman44]

Ive spent about $1500 and I should be in the high 13's next season. Im also being conservative with my pulley... it's a daily driver.

The Regal you've seen at the track is probably Ben Stiff's. He has spent a lot of time and money on that car. He did my porting and my tuning. Ben is a great guy from in Mlps, let me sleep in his basement when we did all the work on my car.

I still believe it's all about what you grow up with, what your friends have, and what you think looks good. I rarely bash a car just because of what brand it is... add a 6 foot wing and a fart can and I can't help to chuckle a bit. If he takes me in a race, ill give props where props are due.

[Bunique]

My belief is that sometimes people dont realize the differnce in cars, and they just work with what they got.

Some of the cars I was raised around were 71 Chevelle SS, 72 Chevelle, 69 Nova, 91 Chevy 1500 SS, 88ish Monte Carlo SS, 89 Camaro RS, 94 Camaro Z28, 95 Firebird Formula convt.

My first car was 00 cavalier. I wanted a civic, but when I couldn't find one I settled for the cavi. After a little research I realized I didn't want to do anything to the cavalier. I sold it and got a Tiburon which of course handle better because it was brand new and a more expensive car. Once again after looking at my car I realized I wanted something else. Thats when I started looking for an s2k or an rx8. I bought my RX8 because I really like the looks of the car, it handles good, comfortable, and was decently fast.

I don't think it matters too much about what you were raised around or have always had. Sometimes it depends on what the person is willing to try. Also there's more to cars than just straight line driving. In most cases I would choose an import over a domestic.

I've got nothing against people modding domestics to make them fast and handle good, but what's with people trying to turn them into show cars by slapping 20" chrome rims and neon underbodys. I am not a huge fan of this.

I like Honda!
Zoom Zoom!
What's a piston?
I'm a dumbass.

[94NDTA]

KA-T_240;201116 wrote:
I like GPs. And the civic ownz.

I would love to see a 13 sec GP on under $1000. (not parts that are DIY). does not included the new GXP

Exhaust: $250
Intake: $100
Pulley: $50
Belt: $30
Tuning system: $400.

13's....very attainable.

Hell, monty on this board went 14.59 in his stock 40th eddition.

Put a little money into the suspension to get rid of it's cushy ride, and the can handle pretty tight as well.

For what they are L67's are a lot of fun and and have potential to be quick for cheap. You can't argue that.

[KA-T_240]

^eh........ Where you get those kind of prices on intakes and exhaust??? Ebay?
Just the intake and cat back from ZZP is over $600

Also, I don't remember it all. It's been 4 years since i looked at L67 stuff, I was going to swap my 95. But doesn't it take some more mods to be truly able to use the differant pulley? I mean, yes you can just toss it on. But I remember a list of other things that were highly suggested before a pulley. I looked around and parts have gone down quiet a bit since then. I remember headers were over $600 back then.

[94NDTA]

KA-T_240;201241 wrote:
^eh........ Where you get those kind of prices on intakes and exhaust??? Ebay?

Also, I don't remember it all. It's been 4 years since i looked at L67 stuff, I was going to swap my 95. But doesn't it take some more mods to be truly able to use the differant pulley? I mean, yes you can just toss it on. But I remember a list of other things that were highly suggested before a pulley.

Those are the prices I paid.

I'm not tossing it on, I'm tuning it (or trying to, lol) to get it to run a smaller pulley.

A lot of people don't do their own tuning, or get a cookie cutter tune from someone who hasn't been hands on with the car. Instead, they throw a bunch of parts at it to get it to run right, intercooler, headers, power log, rockers, etc.

[94NDTA]

KA-T_240;201241 wrote:
^eh........ Where you get those kind of prices on intakes and exhaust??? Ebay?
Just the intake and cat back from ZZP is over $600

Also, I don't remember it all. It's been 4 years since i looked at L67 stuff, I was going to swap my 95. But doesn't it take some more mods to be truly able to use the differant pulley? I mean, yes you can just toss it on. But I remember a list of other things that were highly suggested before a pulley. I looked around and parts have gone down quiet a bit since then. I remember headers were over $600 back then.

Exhuast 3 inch all the way back w/ 2 GTP mufflers cost me $250. Custom exhaust too.

Intake you can buy used easily for $100, just depends on what one you want.

[uman44]

I saved a good chunk of that estimate by not getting a tuner and paying someone to do the tuning. I paid about the same for my exhaust with a bit more because I got Magnaflow mufflers.

I did my own intake for cheaper, but you can find a good system for under $100.

That list would safely run a 3.5 pulley with the correct tune, 3.4 if it reacts well. Add headers or even a ported front manifold and the 3.4 should work well.

The top of the line headers are still $600 but you can find a good used set for cheap. Im waiting to find a deal on The Other Guys headers.

[Goodnbuzzd]

Ok, I think it is just to be different, In some peoples case their different is just weird. lol, But, Anyway i needed a car, so i found a 3.1 sunbird with a manual (a plus) and i wanted to be different/ unique, i have never seen another like it, and have had tons of people say they like it.

[Grr]

yeah, i had a 90 cavilier Z24 as well. It was my first car and i got it for $1k cash, and put 40k miles on it in 2 years. It was a 3.1 5-speed and black and i loved it. as things broke i upgraded them while i was there. sprayed it for fun (100 shot) and blew a head gasket, so i ported the heads and intake and put a cam in it i got for $40. Chip, clutch, and alot of CV shafts, think i put 14 in it total. Anyway that car was quick and fun, and i learned alot. Put a total of about $2200 in it and sold it for $1200. I figure if it hooked it would run a low 14@95 or so which is actually moving in a shitbox. One day i was seeing if it would blow just for fun (had a spare motor) and i wound it out to 7000 rpm in 4 gears, think i hit about 155-160mph, and held it there for 3 miles, didnt hurt it at all. Ah to be young and stupid again, so, thats why kids do it. I do not support any of the body and/or hideously done paintwork on them though, thats just simply retarded
Gary

[harm]

goodnbuzzed - did you seriously find a body kit for the sunbird? agreed, never seen anything quite like that. interesting starting point, and probably pretty quick (for a sunbird at least) with the 3.1?

my first car probably would've been a sunbird if I'd fit in the thing to drive it.. ended up finding a 3.1 grand prix. those engines are actually really solid. If I could find a '90 turbo grand prix (running condition, reasonable price), I'd probably buy it. It'd just have to find a place to stay.

[bubba]

^ u can find a body kit for almost everything...they even had some for my old regal, lol. I have to say the 3800's are good engines and last a long time, my 90 regal 2dr has 226k on it and runs great, I loved that car, most comforable thing i've driven. I personally would never mod one...I think of them more as winter beaters or road trip cars. I did see a Reatta once that was pretty sweet, 3800 supercharged swap and converted to 5spd...

[darkelvis]

Since this is way off topic from the first post I'll throw in a few things that go with the current topic(s). The 3800 platform is good......after you replace the intake gaskets, upper intake, ignition (coils are junk), and transmission you can start to make some real power. As for the handling on the GP, like was said....BOAT.

As far as the 3400, 3100, and quad4...ABSOLUTE CRAP! Ecotec has major potential and is starting to show what it can do throughout the world.

Now I have a real question...give one guy a 1997 grand prix base and another guy a 1997 civic base hand each of them $2000 and tell them to come back in a month. Which will be faster in the quarter? Which would do better in an auto-x? Which one would last the longest? I honestly don't know the answer to these questions but I have my bets on which one will last.