Swap.........avi?
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weshole;206639 wrote:
Joel I do belive your wrong about the LSx swap. Those engines are nearly the same weight as the 1.6 in there. You loose nearly none of the cars handling capabilities. They are just an expensive and involved swap to do properly. So it's not for the faint of heart.I never said anything about how much the motor weighs, wes. The fact is, the miata is a quick, Nimble car. I guess 300 ft/lbs of torque doesn't strike me as nimble. With a turbo setup, you aren't always in boost, there for you can still take a corner at a decent amount of throttle without killing yourself. I guess I might just be a n00b driver but thats the way I see it. I would love to have the power of a v8 without having to go forced induction, I don't have the knowledge or the deep pockets needed for doing it properly. I guess my car won't be a monster miata...
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A quick car? The MIATA? I think not. It IS a fun spirited car to drive because it is so light. But 300 ft lbs as you refer to it is only 300 ft lbs when you decide to use it. I'd rather have the option of having the power and deciding NOT to use than watching whomever go right by. I'm speaking from having one for almost 4 years now. You'll see when you get more wheel time. OF course you may be comparing it to previous cars you have owned. Then it may seem like a supercar. You can only justify the cars handling prowess and power to weight ratio so much.
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If you ask any Ford gearhead about swapping a 5.0 into a 2.3 foxbody, they'll tell you the cheapest and best way to do is to plain trade in the 2.3 and buy a stock 5.0.
The Ford K-member was designed to accept both the 2.3 mounts and the 5.0 mounts.... if you get a k-member just for swapping the 5.0 into the miata you'll probly run into some major issues with getting the 2.3 mounted. The wireharnesses between a 2.3 and 5.0 are completely different, to the point that some of the pin-outs are different. The fuel line connections are on opposite sides of the engine.
The Monster Miata kit isn't gonna be much help for this one. You'll still find that you need a lot of custom work and that the usual kits aren't going to help much at all
...and don't even get me started on if your donor car had a TFI ignition system.. even the Ford guys are ashamed of that one (especially if the resistor gel overheated, leaked and started the module on fire). :eek: I know you would use the miata ignition, but who knows what issues you might run into with spark plugs and grounds and general wiring, the TFI had super-high risistance on one end in the modules and super-low resistance on the other end to cope with it.
I didn't know there were kits for dropping a 5.0 into a miata.. that swap is kind of frightening.. kewl though :woot:
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And a Thunderbird 8.8 IRS is a pretty rock-solid rearend, and one of the reasons that a thunderbird can handle just as well as mustang of the same year, despite the car being 500lbs heavier
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A 2.3 turbo would be a good motor for a Miata and the swap can't be any more difficult than stuffing an LSx into an FD, and a lot of fools have done that one. Just an fyi, for a donor motor getting one from a 82-88 thunderbird turbocoupe or a cougar XR7 would probibly be a lot cheaper than the SVO.
> Mitch Hedberg wrote:
> I'm sick of following my dreams, I'm just going to find out where they are going and hook up with them later.ASE certified parts specialist.
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weshole;206652 wrote:
You're not gonna kill the 8.8 IRS out of the Thunderbird. They hold up tp the best that the best LS1-2 throws at it. And...... IT HANDLES with it.
theres a kit for the solid axle... bolts in, nuff said... if someone made a complete kit for the IRS 8.8 i would buy that.... but theres not... so im not going to fuck with it.... the car will handle just fine with a solid axle in it... -
LupusSingularis;206678 wrote:
If you ask any Ford gearhead about swapping a 5.0 into a 2.3 foxbody, they'll tell you the cheapest and best way to do is to plain trade in the 2.3 and buy a stock 5.0.The Ford K-member was designed to accept both the 2.3 mounts and the 5.0 mounts.... if you get a k-member just for swapping the 5.0 into the miata you'll probly run into some major issues with getting the 2.3 mounted. The wireharnesses between a 2.3 and 5.0 are completely different, to the point that some of the pin-outs are different. The fuel line connections are on opposite sides of the engine.
The Monster Miata kit isn't gonna be much help for this one. You'll still find that you need a lot of custom work and that the usual kits aren't going to help much at all
...and don't even get me started on if your donor car had a TFI ignition system.. even the Ford guys are ashamed of that one (especially if the resistor gel overheated, leaked and started the module on fire). :eek: I know you would use the miata ignition, but who knows what issues you might run into with spark plugs and grounds and general wiring, the TFI had super-high risistance on one end in the modules and super-low resistance on the other end to cope with it.
I didn't know there were kits for dropping a 5.0 into a miata.. that swap is kind of frightening.. kewl though :woot:everything you have said is to be expected with this kind of swap...its not hard, it just takes time and research.... lots of it
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this kind of swap...its not hard, it just takes time and research
and money, just saying he might be better off with something a little more plug-and-play, if working on a budget. If money were no object you could do a turbine engine swap.
my view on the matter is that if it costs more to do the swap than to just buy the car, then why bother, unless you just wanna show off that you have money to spend on odd projects. I dont think the 2.3 project is going to be any cheaper than the Monster Miata kit in the end.
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LupusSingularis;206678 wrote:
The fuel line connections are on opposite sides of the engine.Fuck that no way, that will never work
LupusSingularis;206678 wrote:
the TFI had super-high risistanceFuck that, it had remote inductance
LupusSingularis;206678 wrote:
issues you might run into with spark plugsIt doesnt even have spark plugs... jeez
LupusSingularis;206678 wrote:
The Ford K-member was designed ... :Its called a F-U member..... dumbass
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LupusSingularis;206707 wrote:
and money, just saying he might be better off with something a little more plug-and-play, if working on a budget. If money were no object you could do a turbine engine swap.my view on the matter is that if it costs more to do the swap than to just buy the car, then why bother, unless you just wanna show off that you have money to spend on odd projects. I dont think the 2.3 project is going to be any cheaper than the Monster Miata kit in the end.
i guess i just like to show off then... ill just sell it and do what everyone else does.... buy a honda... modding cars costs money.... if you want to "go fast" your gunna have to pay up no matter what you do.... it all depends if you want to be a leader or a follower.... you must be a follower.... -
weshole;206732 wrote:
There's someone that has makes the kit. I'll try to find it and pm ya the info. You can also swap in the 3rd gen diff assy that is VERY strong as well and rather easy to come by. I was gonna do that waaay back when I had a 2nd gen.
i know people that make cradles for the IRS, but i dont want to go through all of the hassel of finding the rest of the shit.... im not interested in swapping a stock 3g rx7 diff in either... by the time this thing hits the spray, it will be around 800hp/trq... and then if the car holds together like it should soon will come some type of FI... plans of around 1000+hp -
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LupusSingularis;206678 wrote:
If you ask any Ford gearhead about swapping a 5.0 into a 2.3 foxbody, they'll tell you the cheapest and best way to do is to plain trade in the 2.3 and buy a stock 5.0.The Ford K-member was designed to accept both the 2.3 mounts and the 5.0 mounts.... if you get a k-member just for swapping the 5.0 into the miata you'll probly run into some major issues with getting the 2.3 mounted. The wireharnesses between a 2.3 and 5.0 are completely different, to the point that some of the pin-outs are different. The fuel line connections are on opposite sides of the engine.
The Monster Miata kit isn't gonna be much help for this one. You'll still find that you need a lot of custom work and that the usual kits aren't going to help much at all
...and don't even get me started on if your donor car had a TFI ignition system.. even the Ford guys are ashamed of that one (especially if the resistor gel overheated, leaked and started the module on fire). :eek: I know you would use the miata ignition, but who knows what issues you might run into with spark plugs and grounds and general wiring, the TFI had super-high risistance on one end in the modules and super-low resistance on the other end to cope with it.
I didn't know there were kits for dropping a 5.0 into a miata.. that swap is kind of frightening.. kewl though :woot:
Hey buckwheat, it is time for you to stop making a fool out of yourself.
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Fuck that no way, that will never work
Fuck that, it had remote inductance
It doesnt even have spark plugs... jeez
Its called a F-U member..... dumbassNice, now you're just flapping your lips
> zbrownOf the two of us it seems that I'm the only one mentioning or asking about potential mechanical problems with this swap. I would have been perfectly happy if you countered my posts with possible answers to those problems but it seems that all you want to do is flood the thread with "you're stupid" trash talk instead of suggesting sensible solutions.
Tell you what... you find me at least 2 different links to people that have done this particular swap (pictures would be nice). I'd like to see a list of problems they ran into and what they did to solve them and the issues that I've already mentioned. Also, an itemized list for the cost of ordering or fabricating those parts with a grand total for the engine and other parts needed. You can even create the walkthrough from you're own personal experience completing this particular swap. I expect no less from a good engine swap walkthrough (and have seen quite a few swap walkthroughs organized just as well or better).
If you can do this I will admit that this is just a typical plug-and-play, one-weekend-and-case-of-beer swap and let you reign over the domain of this thread. Please don't dissappoint me with anything less than a serious reply to this.
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LupusSingularis;206776 wrote:
If you can do this I will admit that this is just a typical plug-and-play, one-weekend-and-case-of-beer swap and let you reign over the domain of this thread. Please don't dissappoint me with anything less than a serious reply to this.K.
- miata donor car
- longblock 2.3
- Haltech E8 + flying lead
- GTAW machine
- GMAW machine
- some raw materials
- jacobs with a diegrinder and bandsaw
Give me one solid weekend devoted and it would be in and running no problem......
ME still >> you
do you realize everything from the fire wall forward on my car came from raw materials and a little bit of encouragement??
I agree with CMK....... buckwheat you need to stop.
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