Swap.........avi?
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LupusSingularis;206707 wrote:
and money, just saying he might be better off with something a little more plug-and-play, if working on a budget. If money were no object you could do a turbine engine swap.my view on the matter is that if it costs more to do the swap than to just buy the car, then why bother, unless you just wanna show off that you have money to spend on odd projects. I dont think the 2.3 project is going to be any cheaper than the Monster Miata kit in the end.
i guess i just like to show off then... ill just sell it and do what everyone else does.... buy a honda... modding cars costs money.... if you want to "go fast" your gunna have to pay up no matter what you do.... it all depends if you want to be a leader or a follower.... you must be a follower.... -
weshole;206732 wrote:
There's someone that has makes the kit. I'll try to find it and pm ya the info. You can also swap in the 3rd gen diff assy that is VERY strong as well and rather easy to come by. I was gonna do that waaay back when I had a 2nd gen.
i know people that make cradles for the IRS, but i dont want to go through all of the hassel of finding the rest of the shit.... im not interested in swapping a stock 3g rx7 diff in either... by the time this thing hits the spray, it will be around 800hp/trq... and then if the car holds together like it should soon will come some type of FI... plans of around 1000+hp -
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LupusSingularis;206678 wrote:
If you ask any Ford gearhead about swapping a 5.0 into a 2.3 foxbody, they'll tell you the cheapest and best way to do is to plain trade in the 2.3 and buy a stock 5.0.The Ford K-member was designed to accept both the 2.3 mounts and the 5.0 mounts.... if you get a k-member just for swapping the 5.0 into the miata you'll probly run into some major issues with getting the 2.3 mounted. The wireharnesses between a 2.3 and 5.0 are completely different, to the point that some of the pin-outs are different. The fuel line connections are on opposite sides of the engine.
The Monster Miata kit isn't gonna be much help for this one. You'll still find that you need a lot of custom work and that the usual kits aren't going to help much at all
...and don't even get me started on if your donor car had a TFI ignition system.. even the Ford guys are ashamed of that one (especially if the resistor gel overheated, leaked and started the module on fire). :eek: I know you would use the miata ignition, but who knows what issues you might run into with spark plugs and grounds and general wiring, the TFI had super-high risistance on one end in the modules and super-low resistance on the other end to cope with it.
I didn't know there were kits for dropping a 5.0 into a miata.. that swap is kind of frightening.. kewl though :woot:
Hey buckwheat, it is time for you to stop making a fool out of yourself.
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Fuck that no way, that will never work
Fuck that, it had remote inductance
It doesnt even have spark plugs... jeez
Its called a F-U member..... dumbassNice, now you're just flapping your lips
> zbrownOf the two of us it seems that I'm the only one mentioning or asking about potential mechanical problems with this swap. I would have been perfectly happy if you countered my posts with possible answers to those problems but it seems that all you want to do is flood the thread with "you're stupid" trash talk instead of suggesting sensible solutions.
Tell you what... you find me at least 2 different links to people that have done this particular swap (pictures would be nice). I'd like to see a list of problems they ran into and what they did to solve them and the issues that I've already mentioned. Also, an itemized list for the cost of ordering or fabricating those parts with a grand total for the engine and other parts needed. You can even create the walkthrough from you're own personal experience completing this particular swap. I expect no less from a good engine swap walkthrough (and have seen quite a few swap walkthroughs organized just as well or better).
If you can do this I will admit that this is just a typical plug-and-play, one-weekend-and-case-of-beer swap and let you reign over the domain of this thread. Please don't dissappoint me with anything less than a serious reply to this.
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LupusSingularis;206776 wrote:
If you can do this I will admit that this is just a typical plug-and-play, one-weekend-and-case-of-beer swap and let you reign over the domain of this thread. Please don't dissappoint me with anything less than a serious reply to this.K.
- miata donor car
- longblock 2.3
- Haltech E8 + flying lead
- GTAW machine
- GMAW machine
- some raw materials
- jacobs with a diegrinder and bandsaw
Give me one solid weekend devoted and it would be in and running no problem......
ME still >> you
do you realize everything from the fire wall forward on my car came from raw materials and a little bit of encouragement??
I agree with CMK....... buckwheat you need to stop.
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LOL, zbrowns fab skills >you.
quit posting in this thread already! You might realize that its sarcasm?? BTW, me and zac both have pretty much everything from our firewalls forward home made. I have a full engine swap, transmission swap, and a complete turbo system that is all fabbed. Plus i had to re-make about 3/4 of my engine harness and adapt it into the factory wiring. It is not hard, and it is painfully obvious that this kind of shit has to be done.
Integrating a full EFI system from one car to another is so easy, i would even guess that you could do it. After cleaning out my harness of un-needed wiring and grouping like components, i only have 6 wires coming out of it. Constant 12+, Ign power, Crank 12+, fuel pump control, Serial data out, Tach signal. Thats it, OOOOOO it was sooooo hard!!!!
Not joking, it could be done in a month, working weekends and an hour or 2 at night during the week, making the motor mounts is the easiest, and the engine/trans could be bolted in easily in 1 weekend.
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it could be done in a month, working weekends and an hour or 2 at night during the week
that was my point from the beginning, its not a weekend project... so far no one has fullfilled my request for links and parts and cost lists, or a realistic budget, which is what I think Kidsupreme was looking for in the first place besides genereal thoughts. All I've heard is just a "I can do it with some stuff that will probably work" reply.
the fact that everything from your firewall foreward is homemade is quite impressive and comendable, and I respect your skillls for doing so. In fact I will say that you're skills are definately better than mine. But you still have failed to answer my questions and comments specificly and I would like to see a realistic timeframe and budget for this project.
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when you decide to take on a project like this, that is somewhat breaking into new territory. You go in knowing its going to cost alot, take longer than expected, and involve alot of fabrication.
Now the cost can vary so widely that shouldnt even be discussed in this thread. If you scrounge a motor for $50, or $500, waiting on ebay for deals on used haltecs, buying a new AEM, or going Megasquirt (the right choice BTW) can also vary from $400 or so up to $1500.
Another thing to consider is how much can you do on your own. I could probably do 90% of the swap with a stick of flat iron, a shear and a welder, all of which i have. But the regular joe doesnt have shit for tools, that will change the cost immensely.
This also affects timeframe. If you have all the above, and all the parts sitting there it could be done in a week or so. Otherwise it could take a year or 2 if your scrounging deals and stuff. I did mine over the course of a winter, and bought what i needed as i needed it. (This included removing the body and rebuilding suspension, all lines, etc.) The thing that actually took the longest was staring at wiring diagrams and waiting on parts.
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LupusSingularis;206782 wrote:
that was my point from the beginning, its not a weekend project... so far no one has fullfilled my request for links and parts and cost lists, or a realistic budget, which is what I think Kidsupreme was looking for in the first place besides genereal thoughts. All I've heard is just a "I can do it with some stuff that will probably work" reply.the fact that everything from your firewall foreward is homemade is quite impressive and comendable, and I respect your skillls for doing so. In fact I will say that you're skills are definately better than mine. But you still have failed to answer my questions and comments specificly and I would like to see a realistic timeframe and budget for this project.
man, we can tell that your a "bolt on guy".... of corse a swap this complicated cant be done in a weekend..... go "bolt on" some parts to your wicked street machine and go away.... if you dont know what you are talking about... stop posting KTHXBYE -
Quite frankly, doing the 2.3 engine swap is not necessary. For the fucking around involved vs the power output gained, Your better off turboing your existing setup. Price is going to be cheaper in the long run and no "real" fab is needed. Not to say that fabbing wouldn't be cool but as far as being original... It's already been done. Oh ,and power is comparable. The 2.3 head isn't the best at flow w/o some port work.
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bubba;206780 wrote:
one weekend = much more than a case of beer...He must not know how much we North Dakota Boys drink.
LupusSingularis;206782 wrote:
I would like to see a realistic timeframe and budget for this project.Its impossible to give you that information until someone actually does it. The deal is that if you can visiualize it, anything is possible. He obviously has a vision for this and using it I'm confident that he can get it done. You, however, I have no confidence in.
> Mitch Hedberg wrote:
> I'm sick of following my dreams, I'm just going to find out where they are going and hook up with them later.ASE certified parts specialist.
2004 Impala LS 3.8
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