*2008 Presidential Thread* McCain vs Obama *Poll*

[Guest]

Tad218;221170 wrote:
**Obama **for so many reasons.

Starting with the obvious: The Iraq war. There's no good reason left to be there.

McCain will stay.

Obama's tax plan is gonna benefit the lower and middle class. It's not going to be good for the rich, but right now that's not affecting me or most of us.

McCain will keep the tax cuts for the rich

Obama will mandate coverage for children and subsidize health care for adults.

McCain won't change a thing.

Obama has a plan to give college students thousands in tuition in exchange for public service, like working at homeless shelters.

McCain won't change a thing again. At least in our country.

I don't see how Republicans can even be happy about having McCain as their nominee. It's completely advantage Obama

You really think Obama will be a catalyst for all this change he speaks of? He's so ambiguous when he speaks, it's hard to tell what, if anything, he's going to do sometimes. Looking at his voting record is a good way to judge his future actions, and thus far they've been scary left. I'm more of a moderate than anything, so take it for what it's worth.

[Guest]

SmitEvo;221183 wrote:
I guess depending on what you want to call middle class/upper class it could if he did get elected and held onto two terms.

I'm almost 100 percent sure Obama has stated that anything over 100K per year is upper class.

[Guest]

thrash;221225 wrote:
If i wanted the socialist dystopia that is Obama's dream I could move to any one of the European nations (well, I couldn't since their immigration laws are bullshit apart from me being in a line of work that's in high demand).

They aren't really bullshit, but some are extreme. I believe to become a resident of Switzerland, there is a twelve-year naturalization process one must go through. So basically, if you aren't born there, you don't become a citizen (or you wait a long time).

If you don't mind me asking, what line of work are you in?

[thrash]

Well, for instance, Iceland requires that you learn the Icelandic language and change your name to be Icelandic in origin if you want actual citizenship. And Iceland does things like deny or delay visas to non-native born spouses. Lovely place to visit; we have some relatives there we stayed with. Goofy laws and economy though.

I'm in the software development industry. I've done a mix of IT and software since highschool.

I've heard that it's easier for people in the IT/tech sector to get foreign work visas, just like we've got the H1-B program here in the states. When I was vacationing in Munich a few years ago I ran into an American kid (like, early 20s) who spoke no German and was working for Siemens. He was saying that it was pretty easy to get a ride to Germany if you knew your stuff. I also had the opportunity to transfer to our Denmark office last fall but it came literally the week after we bought our fixer upper house in Fargo. A guy on my team who's originally from Norway is transferring and is getting all of his paperwork sorted out currently.

[Guest]

So you work for Microsoft?

Edit: Yeah, isn't Iceland's economy mainly based on fishing? I always thought Iceland was pretty cool and would love to visit, but I don't think I'd ever want to live there.

[FG2]

(Ron Paul write-in crew here)

Rexwagon;221202 wrote:
Ron Paul, yeah vote for someone who wants to eliminate federal student loans. So that way our population becomes less educated and the countries future becomes more fucked.

What is wrong with getting loans for a college education? Work part time to help with the bills? There is 2 sides to this argument. I worked in college, I took out loans, and my parents "made too much money" to get federal aid...however they didn't offer any financial assistance for my college... So what does them making money have to do with ME getting an education? Bad parents, or are they teaching the value of the dollar and an education?

Rexwagon;221202 wrote:
Ron Paul is Nuts with encouraging conspiracy's.

Please elaborate. A lot of the stuff he bring to the publics knowledge IS happening (NAFTA, Chip, etc..)

Rexwagon;221202 wrote:
Paul wants to remove troops from all foreign soils. WTF is that going to help. Nothing. It will make us more vulnerable.

How is having all of the AMERICAN troops on AMERICAN soil going to make us more vulnerable? Sounds like a country I would prefer NOT to mess with...

Rexwagon;221202 wrote:
He also opposes the Federal War on drugs. Well then where is the money going to come from to fight drugs???

But he isn't against the war on drugs. He is against jailing people for long periods of time over drugs (which is costing more money than fighting the issue)

He also voted against more border patrol. Thats great let more illegals in to the country. He is too far out there. [/QUOTE]

Less border patrol, more border structure/security (less men, less money)

Rexwagon wrote:
I would rather vote for Hillary than Ron Paul.

That is your right, as stated in the Constitution that Ron Paul stands the strongest to uphold.

Many people get a vision of Ron Paul from the media, and well, if you listen to the media....you are falling victim to one of the biggest piles of shit facing Americans. I am not being a RP cry baby, but we ALL know he got ripped off from day 1. Not saying he would have won if he was given the same opportunity that everyone else was given, but he would have done much better.

my $.02

[Jim]

It would be interesting to see who the ron paul voters more closely align themselves with, Obama or McCain...

[JN607]

Straight up, I don't care who get's in office. As long as it's not the terrorist Hillbillary. She hates freedom.

[91nbtsi]

I agree with FG2, sounds like I am a Ron Paul write-in.

[Guest]

I kinda forgot about the write-in option as well. I'll probably go that route actually now that I think of it....heck, I did give the guy some money, I suppose the least I could do is vote for him...my 2nd choice is still Obama. As a gun owner, yes, I have concerns as well, but as stated earlier, I think he is in a better position to ban "assault rifles" as a senator rather than a president....and he hasn't even attempted that as far as I can tell. Also, the vast majority of my weapons (AK47/MAK90/SKS) were purchased DURING the assault weapon ban. I really don't see how it affected me or anyone else I know that purchased those guns during that time. My father in law purchased his AR15 during that time as well I am told (didn't know him back then). If he proposed making it illegal to own those guns, well then I have issues with him, but even other republican friends of mine acknowledge that there is virtually no chance of that happening in our lifetimes.

[Guest]

oh, and why is it I don't get "I'm voting FOR McCain because 'x' 'y' or 'z' policy" yet you will vote against another person because of 1 issue. Give me 5 good reasons to vote McCain....and PLEASE don't try and tell me it's because he's a conservative (far from it)

[integra_gsr98]

AR15:

Fastest way - Walk into Scheels/Outdoorsman/Sportsmans Warehouse/Gander Mountain

Buy any model DPMS or Bushmaster rifle. They are approximately $750+.

I bought a complete lower receiver from the outdoorsman and built mine by ordering parts online. The lower receiver is the only piece of the firearm that requires paperwork unless you build an SBR or buy a can, in which you will need other paperwork to make the rifle legal.

I will be picking up a couple more stripped lower recievers before November. These are all I will need to get past another AW ban if it does happen. Preban purchases FTW.

[DaveH]

tjamz;221261 wrote:
oh, and why is it I don't get "I'm voting FOR McCain because 'x' 'y' or 'z' policy" yet you will vote against another person because of 1 issue. Give me 5 good reasons to vote McCain....and PLEASE don't try and tell me it's because he's a conservative (far from it)

I'm too lazy so I'll only give you 4 reasons. Look at Tads list in the 3rd post in this thread. McCain won't do those 4 things that Obama will do. No change is much better than bad change.

[torbs]

tjamz;221261 wrote:
oh, and why is it I don't get "I'm voting FOR McCain because 'x' 'y' or 'z' policy" yet you will vote against another person because of 1 issue. Give me 5 good reasons to vote McCain....and PLEASE don't try and tell me it's because he's a conservative (far from it)

I hate McCain...but here's 5 things going for him:

1. he's for a flat-tax
2. he's not against the 2nd ammendment
3. he won't place in socialism (nationalized healthcare)
4. he won't tax people for being productive (taxing the rich)...the bottom 40% of this nation actually makes money off of our tax system already. We already have wealth redistribution.
5. he will extend the bush tax cuts...if those aren't extended, we will have the largest tax increase since WWII...all this at a time when ppl are struggling to buy food and pay for gas in their tanks.

[Burthwick]

I think Obama will win. McCain is gonna be like Bush. He's just in it for the war and money. Our so called country has down-graded since bush took office, it will continue to go down hill if McCain hits the office.

jus my .02 cents

[Grr]

word, obama is really the worst person in most of the government to be president. Igf you look at his voting record he is the most liberal senator, period. There is no argument to that, his record shows it.
Also his relations and freindships with psychotic, racist, and terrorist people is very troubling. The issues with his church he spent 20yrs in is also a very big concern. As GW Bush said, he looks to god and his faith for his hardest decisions. Do you want someone with racist and very far left/borderline communist faith and teachings looking there for advice? I think not. On top of that, his associations with Farakkahn (sp?). This guy is a terrorist, bombed the pentagon, NYC police station, and brags about it. Obama went to him for advice and called it a pilgrimage of his faith. Thats fucked up.

Socialized medicine. It doesnt work, ruins progress, and kills more people than it could ever dream of helping. If you think its a good thing and works, you dont know economics, statistics, and/or are just fucking stupid.

Those are just a couple reasons. I think McCain sucks balls too, but he is leaps ahead of obama. His main fault is amnesty for illegals, and this stupid fucking global warming shit. It has been stated by many GOVERNMENT agencies even, that this cap& trade carbon emmissions shit will singlehandedly bring america to its knees. 40% energy price increases, 5 new government agencys to fund and staff, 1.5 milliion job losses to overseas in the next 10 years, the list goes on. Ill put up more tomorrow after this gets some responces
Gary

[torbs]

will write in Ron Paul

i think the poll should be reset and have write in RP as an option.

[Guest]

So, now the question is, IF Obama gets in and gets some of his programs through that fix some of our current problems, will those on the far right give him credit for this or will they instead claim that Bush's programs are what fixed the problems, Obama was just there at the right time?

[DaveH]

tjamz;221298 wrote:
So, now the question is, IF Obama gets in and gets some of his programs through that fix some of our current problems, will those on the far right give him credit for this or will they instead claim that Bush's programs are what fixed the problems, Obama was just there at the right time?

Please list a program or two that he has that is a solution to a problem.

[Guest]

I'm not saying he does/doesn't. He isn't my ideal candidate either. But lets just use one of his "ideas". Let's say he goes to Iran, sits down with the leaders of that country and convinces them to allow IAC inspectors and give up it's weapons grade nuke program....which they (in my scenario...maybe not reality, but none of us can predict the future) agree to and actually follow. In this case, he may have stopped another war from starting/expanding. IMO, that would be a successful policy.

Because, again IMO, there are only 2 ways to end a war...and they should be pursued in the following order:

1. Come to a peaceful conclusion.
   If that fails
2. Kill everyone who disagrees with you.