*2008 Presidential Thread* McCain vs Obama *Poll*
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So you work for Microsoft?
Edit: Yeah, isn't Iceland's economy mainly based on fishing? I always thought Iceland was pretty cool and would love to visit, but I don't think I'd ever want to live there.
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(Ron Paul write-in crew here)
Rexwagon;221202 wrote:
Ron Paul, yeah vote for someone who wants to eliminate federal student loans. So that way our population becomes less educated and the countries future becomes more fucked.What is wrong with getting loans for a college education? Work part time to help with the bills? There is 2 sides to this argument. I worked in college, I took out loans, and my parents "made too much money" to get federal aid...however they didn't offer any financial assistance for my college... So what does them making money have to do with ME getting an education? Bad parents, or are they teaching the value of the dollar and an education?
Rexwagon;221202 wrote:
Ron Paul is Nuts with encouraging conspiracy's.Please elaborate. A lot of the stuff he bring to the publics knowledge IS happening (NAFTA, Chip, etc..)
Rexwagon;221202 wrote:
Paul wants to remove troops from all foreign soils. WTF is that going to help. Nothing. It will make us more vulnerable.How is having all of the AMERICAN troops on AMERICAN soil going to make us more vulnerable? Sounds like a country I would prefer NOT to mess with...
Rexwagon;221202 wrote:
He also opposes the Federal War on drugs. Well then where is the money going to come from to fight drugs???But he isn't against the war on drugs. He is against jailing people for long periods of time over drugs (which is costing more money than fighting the issue)
He also voted against more border patrol. Thats great let more illegals in to the country. He is too far out there. [/QUOTE]
Less border patrol, more border structure/security (less men, less money)
Rexwagon wrote:
I would rather vote for Hillary than Ron Paul.That is your right, as stated in the Constitution that Ron Paul stands the strongest to uphold.
Many people get a vision of Ron Paul from the media, and well, if you listen to the media....you are falling victim to one of the biggest piles of shit facing Americans. I am not being a RP cry baby, but we ALL know he got ripped off from day 1. Not saying he would have won if he was given the same opportunity that everyone else was given, but he would have done much better.
my $.02
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I kinda forgot about the write-in option as well. I'll probably go that route actually now that I think of it....heck, I did give the guy some money, I suppose the least I could do is vote for him...my 2nd choice is still Obama. As a gun owner, yes, I have concerns as well, but as stated earlier, I think he is in a better position to ban "assault rifles" as a senator rather than a president....and he hasn't even attempted that as far as I can tell. Also, the vast majority of my weapons (AK47/MAK90/SKS) were purchased DURING the assault weapon ban. I really don't see how it affected me or anyone else I know that purchased those guns during that time. My father in law purchased his AR15 during that time as well I am told (didn't know him back then). If he proposed making it illegal to own those guns, well then I have issues with him, but even other republican friends of mine acknowledge that there is virtually no chance of that happening in our lifetimes.
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oh, and why is it I don't get "I'm voting FOR McCain because 'x' 'y' or 'z' policy" yet you will vote against another person because of 1 issue. Give me 5 good reasons to vote McCain....and PLEASE don't try and tell me it's because he's a conservative (far from it)
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AR15:
Fastest way - Walk into Scheels/Outdoorsman/Sportsmans Warehouse/Gander Mountain
Buy any model DPMS or Bushmaster rifle. They are approximately $750+.
I bought a complete lower receiver from the outdoorsman and built mine by ordering parts online. The lower receiver is the only piece of the firearm that requires paperwork unless you build an SBR or buy a can, in which you will need other paperwork to make the rifle legal.
I will be picking up a couple more stripped lower recievers before November. These are all I will need to get past another AW ban if it does happen. Preban purchases FTW.
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tjamz;221261 wrote:
oh, and why is it I don't get "I'm voting FOR McCain because 'x' 'y' or 'z' policy" yet you will vote against another person because of 1 issue. Give me 5 good reasons to vote McCain....and PLEASE don't try and tell me it's because he's a conservative (far from it)I'm too lazy so I'll only give you 4 reasons. Look at Tads list in the 3rd post in this thread. McCain won't do those 4 things that Obama will do. No change is much better than bad change.
DaveH
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tjamz;221261 wrote:
oh, and why is it I don't get "I'm voting FOR McCain because 'x' 'y' or 'z' policy" yet you will vote against another person because of 1 issue. Give me 5 good reasons to vote McCain....and PLEASE don't try and tell me it's because he's a conservative (far from it)I hate McCain...but here's 5 things going for him:
- he's for a flat-tax
- he's not against the 2nd ammendment
- he won't place in socialism (nationalized healthcare)
- he won't tax people for being productive (taxing the rich)...the bottom 40% of this nation actually makes money off of our tax system already. We already have wealth redistribution.
- he will extend the bush tax cuts...if those aren't extended, we will have the largest tax increase since WWII...all this at a time when ppl are struggling to buy food and pay for gas in their tanks.
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word, obama is really the worst person in most of the government to be president. Igf you look at his voting record he is the most liberal senator, period. There is no argument to that, his record shows it.
Also his relations and freindships with psychotic, racist, and terrorist people is very troubling. The issues with his church he spent 20yrs in is also a very big concern. As GW Bush said, he looks to god and his faith for his hardest decisions. Do you want someone with racist and very far left/borderline communist faith and teachings looking there for advice? I think not. On top of that, his associations with Farakkahn (sp?). This guy is a terrorist, bombed the pentagon, NYC police station, and brags about it. Obama went to him for advice and called it a pilgrimage of his faith. Thats fucked up.Socialized medicine. It doesnt work, ruins progress, and kills more people than it could ever dream of helping. If you think its a good thing and works, you dont know economics, statistics, and/or are just fucking stupid.
Those are just a couple reasons. I think McCain sucks balls too, but he is leaps ahead of obama. His main fault is amnesty for illegals, and this stupid fucking global warming shit. It has been stated by many GOVERNMENT agencies even, that this cap& trade carbon emmissions shit will singlehandedly bring america to its knees. 40% energy price increases, 5 new government agencys to fund and staff, 1.5 milliion job losses to overseas in the next 10 years, the list goes on. Ill put up more tomorrow after this gets some responces
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So, now the question is, IF Obama gets in and gets some of his programs through that fix some of our current problems, will those on the far right give him credit for this or will they instead claim that Bush's programs are what fixed the problems, Obama was just there at the right time?
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tjamz;221298 wrote:
So, now the question is, IF Obama gets in and gets some of his programs through that fix some of our current problems, will those on the far right give him credit for this or will they instead claim that Bush's programs are what fixed the problems, Obama was just there at the right time?Please list a program or two that he has that is a solution to a problem.
DaveH
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I'm not saying he does/doesn't. He isn't my ideal candidate either. But lets just use one of his "ideas". Let's say he goes to Iran, sits down with the leaders of that country and convinces them to allow IAC inspectors and give up it's weapons grade nuke program....which they (in my scenario...maybe not reality, but none of us can predict the future) agree to and actually follow. In this case, he may have stopped another war from starting/expanding. IMO, that would be a successful policy.
Because, again IMO, there are only 2 ways to end a war...and they should be pursued in the following order:
- Come to a peaceful conclusion.
If that fails - Kill everyone who disagrees with you.
- Come to a peaceful conclusion.
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tjamz;221303 wrote:
I'm not saying he does/doesn't. He isn't my ideal candidate either. But lets just use one of his "ideas". Let's say he goes to Iran, sits down with the leaders of that country and convinces them to allow IAC inspectors and give up it's weapons grade nuke program....which they (in my scenario...maybe not reality, but none of us can predict the future) agree to and actually follow. In this case, he may have stopped another war from starting/expanding. IMO, that would be a successful policy.Because, again IMO, there are only 2 ways to end a war...and they should be pursued in the following order:
- Come to a peaceful conclusion.
If that fails - Kill everyone who disagrees with you.
IMO, there are 2 ways to end a war... they should be pursued in the following order:
- Win
- Lose
If Obama goes over and convinces Iran that we are really good guys and they shouldn't be trying to kill all of us infidels, I'll give him all the props in the world.
DaveH
'94 Supra- 7.77 @ 176mph - Come to a peaceful conclusion.
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DaveH;221309 wrote:
IMO, there are 2 ways to end a war... they should be pursued in the following order:- Win
- Lose
But how do you arrive at those results? Either peaceful surrender by one side or the others, or kill everyone who doesn't agree with you.
If Obama goes over and convinces Iran that we are really good guys and they shouldn't be trying to kill all of us infidels, I'll give him all the props in the world.
But by not at least attempting diplomacy, what options do we have? Kill/imprison everyone who doesn't agree with us? That won't work...it didn't work for Hitler in WWII and won't work for us now....especially with the war-crime laws currently in force. My view is avoid war at all cost, but IF you are left with no choice but to go to war, fucking annihilate your opponent as quickly as possible w/o regard to civilian casualty..... IOW speak softly and carry a big stick. I believe it was a Republican President (albeit progressive-republican who advocated for Universal Health Care and National Health Insurance) by the name of Teddy Roosevelt.
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Haha first off a country leader like that of iran will not listen to a "new" leader like obama if there is still "war" as u call it in iraq. As long as there is still a threat in another terrorist country there will always be threat in iran and others that have nukes or chemical weapons. No matter how many years pass we will always have this problem.
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tjamz;221311 wrote:
But how do you arrive at those results? Either peaceful surrender by one side or the others, or kill everyone who doesn't agree with you.
But by not at least attempting diplomacy, what options do we have? Kill/imprison everyone who doesn't agree with us? That won't work...it didn't work for Hitler in WWII and won't work for us now....especially with the war-crime laws currently in force. My view is avoid war at all cost, but IF you are left with no choice but to go to war, fucking annihilate your opponent as quickly as possible w/o regard to civilian casualty..... IOW speak softly and carry a big stick. I believe it was a Republican President (albeit progressive-republican who advocated for Universal Health Care and National Health Insurance) by the name of Teddy Roosevelt.The only problem with your argument, is that you are assuming we are trying diplomacy with rational people. They would rather cut Obama's head off with a spoon and send it back to the US in a bag if they had their way. By having the US even showing up at the table, they see it as a sign of weakness on our part and rally their people around the fact that they are weakening us. The only thing they understand is force and death. We have to make it imminently clear that one misstep on their part and we crush them like a 300lb man stepping on a grape.
DaveH
'94 Supra- 7.77 @ 176mph
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