So anyone voting for the yes no yes?
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no offence. but seriously there are PLENTY of places that do not allow smoking. why not go there???? Like I stated I personally do not mind going outside (as a smoker) But I just think there are plenty of places that allow and don't allow smoking where there shouldn't be a problem.
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iluvracing;221853 wrote:
no offence. but seriously there are PLENTY of places that do not allow smoking. why not go there????Name one that has the atmosphere of The Hub, Mr. G's, Bucks, OB, etc...
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anywhere in Moorhead! hmmmmm.???? that's a few huh? seriously dude not trying to be a dick but it's across a river, not 100 miles. right?
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iluvracing;221855 wrote:
anywhere in Moorhead! hmmmmm.???? that's a few huh? seriously dude not trying to be a dick but it's across a river, not 100 miles. right?Not a one bar in Moorhead compares to the ones I listed.
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Nothing like playing blackjack and someone sits down next to you and immediately lights up a cigarette.
Happy this vote passed.
Go stand outside and smoke.
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iluvracing;221848 wrote:
the fact that its a right and you are bitching saying it's not. (that's how I am taking it)Lol, I'm glad Torbs got to this statement before I did. I'm not "bitching" about smoking as a right since, as Torbs indicated, it is definitely not a right.
Lol again.
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iluvracing;221855 wrote:
anywhere in Moorhead! hmmmmm.???? that's a few huh? seriously dude not trying to be a dick but it's across a river, not 100 miles. right?And the door is usually < 100 feet of any place in any bar. Go outside and smoke.
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It is a right because it is legal. also very true fargo bars are better. (my opinion)
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iluvracing;221865 wrote:
It is a right because it is legal. also very true fargo bars are better. (my opinion)Whether or not something is legal doesn't mean it's a right.
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actually something legal is a right until it is revoked.
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iluvracing;221865 wrote:
It is a right because it is legal. also very true fargo bars are better. (my opinion)No, it is a privilege. Driving a car is a legal thing to do....but it is a privilege as well. Free speech/expression is a right, so long as your as your speech/actions do not infringe on the rights of others. Even with rights, there are limitations.
To further clarify: The right to free speech is a right, but to hear my opinion is a privilege.
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tjamz;221869 wrote:
No, it is a privilege. Driving a car is a legal thing to do....but it is a privilege as well. Free speech/expression is a right, so long as your as your speech/actions do not infringe on the rights of others. Even with rights, there are limitations.correct. that's why YOU as a citizen do not have to choose where you go.
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Rights are not "granted" or given to people by their government, we are born with them. Rights are unalienable because they are endowed in every person by their creator, or if you would rather, by nature. Other than God, there is no higher authority.
You do not need permission to exercise rights. This is significantly different from a privilege where permission from a terrestrial authority is required.
People often make the mistake of thinking that the Bill of Rights lists the rights government gives you. This is not true; the Declaration of Independence makes it clear that the rights come from the creator, not the government. Also the Ninth Amendment makes it clear that there are other rights not enumerated and, like all rights, they fall under the jurisdiction of people.
The government, on the other hand, has no rights, only the privileges that we, the people, give it. We, the people, created it. It cannot dictate to us what we can and cannot do, or who we can and cannot marry, no more than you can boss your own parents around.
Government exists only to protect your rights. That is why they are listed, so the government knows its job, not so you know what your allowed to do.
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and yes, I did copy/paste my last post....then deleted the page before I could give credit to the source that wrote it....but I do agree with it.
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MisterCMK;221875 wrote:
YOU are free to leave the establishment...Don't really have to anymore, according to tonight's voting.
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MisterCMK;221875 wrote:
I haven't read the thread but how can somebody justify infringing on the rights of one to protect the rights of another?YES!!!!!! FINALLY!!!!!!!!!!!! someone who agrees. thank you
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iluvracing;221877 wrote:
YES!!!!!! FINALLY!!!!!!!!!!!! someone who agrees. thank youA person who isn't smoking doesn't infringe on your privilege of being in the bar. However, a person who is smoking infringes upon other peoples' right to health. Saying "You have the right to leave the bar" doesn't hold any weight, because the non-smoker will just resort back to the same argument.
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