Ok...so now I'm confused

[PSiedTSi]

Touche.

[SPANISH-RICE]

Hot damn

[no_slow_clap]

holy damn

[zbrown]

tjamz;238004 wrote:
I'm a little confused. Let me see if I have this straight.....

• If you grow up in Hawaii, raised by your grandparents, you're
  'exotic, different.'

the 4 years in Indonesia as a child wouldn't be exotic or different huh??

tjamz;238004 wrote:

• If you spend 3 years as a brilliant community organizer, become the
  first black President of the Harvard Law Review, create a voter
  registration drive that registers 150,000 new voters, spend 12 years
  as a Constitutional Law professor, spend 8 years as a State Senator
  representing a district with over 750,000 people, become chairman of
  the state Senate's Health and Human Services committee, spend 4 years
  in the United States Senate representing a state of 13 million people
  while sponsoring 131 bills and serving on the Foreign Affairs,
  Environment and Public Works and Veteran's Affairs committees, you
  don't have any real leadership experience.

Yep, just where i would want my president to get his experience .......... surrounded and submersed in dirty dirty Chicago politics........

tjamz;238004 wrote:

• If you have been married to the same woman for 19 years while
  raising 2 beautiful daughters, all within Protestant churches, you're
  not a real Christian.

HAHAHAHAHA..............yeah ok

more like an extremist American hating parish..........

and yet Osama had no idea Rev. White had any of those feelings.........

[Guest]

zbrown;238013 wrote:
the 4 years in Indonesia as a child wouldn't be exotic or different huh??

I'll give you that...but if you listen to the right-wing talkers, you'd swear that the first time he stepped foot in America was 4 years ago when he was elected as a senator. He lived there from age 6 to age 10....did it have an impact on him? Of course it did! How could it not....but what it did (in my mind) was give him a basic understanding of the mindset of people in that part of the world. This can only help you as a world leader IMHO.

Yep, just where i would want my president to get his experience .......... surrounded and submersed in dirty dirty Chicago politics........

No different than dirty dirty DC politics....at least he knows what he's getting into.

HAHAHAHAHA..............yeah ok

more like an extremist American hating parish..........

and yet Osama had no idea Rev. White had any of those feelings.........

Find ANY proof that Wright said those things at the time that Obama was still attending his church (before the campaign started) or that Obama was in fact present when he said those things and I'll possibly consider voting for McCain. I have lots of friends that use the word "Nigger" fairly openly, but I hardly consider myself racist.

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tjamz;238020 wrote:
No different than dirty dirty DC politics....at least he knows what he's getting into.

Fair enough, but i say Chicago politics are worse than most...

thats the whole point though......... she hasn't been immersed in that stuff like most

tjamz;238020 wrote:
Find ANY proof that Wright said those things at the time that Obama was still attending his church (before the campaign started) or that Obama was in fact present when he said those things and I'll possibly consider voting for McCain. I have lots of friends that use the word "Nigger" fairly openly, but I hardly consider myself racist.

Yeah i am sure he has never said anything ever like this prior to the campaign........:icon_scratch:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RvMbeVQj6Lw

or that obama had NO IDEA he was this way............ makes me gag:icon_puke_r:

[zbrown]

tjamz;238004 wrote:

• If you spend 3 years as a brilliant community organizer, become the
  first black President of the Harvard Law Review,

My personal favorite though.......

lemme guess.........

Jesus was a community organizer and Pontius Pilot was a governor.....

ROFL

[integra_gsr98]

I don't see why the lefties are so concerned w/ the VP when their PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE is the one with little experience.

Palin will learn quickly while having a HIGHLY experienced president leading our nation. Who does the highest person in power learn from? They should be experienced before getting there.....

[Guest]

He was brilliant in that he was able to get the community behind a common cause of getting better paying jobs to an area that was used to only blue collar labor. No one before him was able to do this in that community. Was he a "great" community organizer? Nah, he just had the charisma to lead people.

As for the youtube video...yes, i've seen it before, but that was AFTER Obama started his campaign. As for what motivated him to say those comments at that time....who knows? I still haven't found one piece of evidence in the many years of video that were shot at that church with him leading the congregation where he ever publicly made a statement like that prior to this election campaign. That would be the equivalent of finding out now (for example....hypothetically speaking) that my priest that I grew up listening to all the sudden was found guilty of possessing child porn....does that mean that he ever touched me as an alter server? does that mean that he continually spoke favorably of molestation? Or does that mean that while he may have harbored those thoughts while I knew him, he never spoke about them until recently?

[Guest]

integra_gsr98;238031 wrote:
I don't see why the lefties are so concerned w/ the VP when their PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE is the one with little experience.

Because, honestly, at McCains age, she could very easily be the next President, even before his term was up. She will cast tie-breaking votes in the Senate even before then.

Yes, he has minimal experience at the national level, but his political experience on a state level and his teaching of constitutional law to me mean that he has at least a little understanding of the laws that he is sworn to uphold.

Palin will learn quickly while having a HIGHLY experienced president leading our nation. Who does the highest person in power learn from? They should be experienced before getting there.....

Yes, McCain is experienced. Experience doesn't mean you are always right though. 8 years ago I was behind McCain when he was going up against Bush.....not because of his years of experience, but his track record of being willing to cross the aisle on issues that he felt were the right thing to do....now he is one of the more partisan voters in the senate (when he actually shows up to vote that is) and, in this voters eyes, has done this in an effort to secure the nomination from the republican party at this time. Flip-Flop anyone?

I find it funny that when it was apparent that McCain was actually going to get this nomination, the righties where in a state of disbelief almost. Several that I know said "Great, now our only choices are a liberal republican and a liberal democrat".

[Guest]

integra_gsr98;238031 wrote:
Who does the highest person in power learn from?
In the case of Bush...I'd say from the VP.

[MisterCMK]

CMK for president

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[DaveH]

tjamz;238020 wrote:
Find ANY proof that Wright said those things at the time that Obama was still attending his church (before the campaign started) or that Obama was in fact present when he said those things and I'll possibly consider voting for McCain.

How about the fact that the church was selling the video of Wright saying those things in the lobby of the church while Obama was going there? I know he says he never saw it... I dunno, do you really believe that?

[zbrown]

tjamz;238034 wrote:
As for the youtube video...yes, i've seen it before, but that was AFTER Obama started his campaign. As for what motivated him to say those comments at that time....who knows? I still haven't found one piece of evidence in the many years of video that were shot at that church with him leading the congregation where he ever publicly made a statement like that prior to this election campaign. That would be the equivalent of finding out now (for example....hypothetically speaking) that my priest that I grew up listening to all the sudden was found guilty of possessing child porn....does that mean that he ever touched me as an alter server? does that mean that he continually spoke favorably of molestation? Or does that mean that while he may have harbored those thoughts while I knew him, he never spoke about them until recently?

considering White has had long ties with Nation of Islam leader Louis Farrakhan, who has made anti-Semitic remarks..............

:rolleyes:

[Bassplayer]

MisterCMK;238038 wrote:
CMK for president

Oh god no

[Guest]

DaveH;238048 wrote:
How about the fact that the church was selling the video of Wright saying those things in the lobby of the church while Obama was going there? I know he says he never saw it... I dunno, do you really believe that?

I don't believe anything that comes out of Washington...if there weren't eye-witness reports of McCain being a POW, I'd be leary of that as well (/end sarcasm for those that don't realize when I am being sarcastic)....and, correct me if I'm wrong, those tapes were made AFTER Obama announced his candidacy and put up for sale at that time.

Basically, if we were all judged by the actions of our friends/associates I'd be not fit for employment by anyone because over the course of my 33 years on this planet, I was friends (prior to the following happening) with a guy who raped a convenience store clerk, another guy that shot his entire family when he was a teenager, multiple drug users and dealers, several girls who have had sex for money, people that have commited robberies, people involved in fatal DUI's....not to mention all the people who are blatantly racist that I have known over the years.

Geez, heaven forbid I ever consider a run at public office...I'll get crucified based on who I know.....which apparently means I think just like they do and follow the same set of beliefs.

[zbrown]

tjamz;238070 wrote:
I don't believe anything that comes out of Washington...if there weren't eye-witness reports of McCain being a POW, I'd be leary of that as well (/end sarcasm for those that don't realize when I am being sarcastic)....and, correct me if I'm wrong, those tapes were made AFTER Obama announced his candidacy and put up for sale at that time.

Basically, if we were all judged by the actions of our friends/associates I'd be not fit for employment by anyone because over the course of my 33 years on this planet, I was friends (prior to the following happening) with a guy who raped a convenience store clerk, another guy that shot his entire family when he was a teenager, multiple drug users and dealers, several girls who have had sex for money, people that have commited robberies, people involved in fatal DUI's....not to mention all the people who are blatantly racist that I have known over the years.

Geez, heaven forbid I ever consider a run at public office...I'll get crucified based on who I know.....which apparently means I think just like they do and follow the same set of beliefs.

Na, it would be more like a close friend that was an active KKK member , and you went to the weekly meetings with him but god forbid that you had any idea what was going on in that meeting.........

and that same friend wed you and your wife...... and baptized your children.....

[Guest]

There are what...5 mins of tape of Wright being an idiot out of how many years of tape??? Don't get me wrong, what Wright said is treasonous...I just have yet to see ANY other tape that was made that proves that Obama was present when he made those remarks OR that he agreed with any of those remarks. Produce that tape and I will show you a LANDSLIDE victory for McCain. Until then, no proof.