Help your 11 year old dodge the draft!
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So you'd also be aboard for the government forcing fast food chains to close because they offer no real healthy nutritional value to people right? And you'd also support the strict limitations that should be placed on manufacturers of candy and other foods deemed "unnecessary" for daily living...
You see where this is going, and don't tell me that's stupid or far fetched because it's something that would help America and that's exactly what you want, right?
If the government wants people to do something, instead of forcing them, they should reward those who choose to and leave those who don't right where they are currently. Otherwise it's just one more law giving the government a tiny bit more control over something they really don't have any reason or right to control.
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yea, no fast food
no cars because it promotes obesity, ride a bike
no xbox or tv because it promotes sedentary lifestyle along with a toaster and a microwave and computers and candy and internet and trains and planes and monster trucks cause they polute and eggs cause nobody can decide if they are good or bador, kids can stack canned goods at the pantry for an hour on tuesdays. your right, your idea is way more rational.
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zbrown;246038 wrote:
Ok, ObamaYes, I voted for Obama. I voted republican for all but one other race. I donated money to the Ron Paul campaign (the only conservative that was running that I actually liked and who made sense).
I hunt & fish, eat red meat, am predominantly anti-abortion as a form of birth control and want my taxes lowered. I attend a Lutheran church, though I was raised Catholic. I would prefer that everyone work for what they get out of life, but also realize that sometimes bad things happen to good people so safety nets are necessary in the short term...I also realize this is abused by some people thereby ruining it for everyone that might actually need it, so there needs to be more oversight.
As I see it, the only major issue I have with the democratic party and the changes they have actually proposed this time around is the anti-abortion issue. That is something that they will need to sort out with the man above. The only major issue w/ the republican party is the social programs designed to help people in need...though the republicans mostly seem to talk a big game on this and not actually follow through with changing any of it. They had absolute power for 6 years, I don't think they even introduced legislation to change welfare.
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Quickly off the top of my head...Chuck you have no problem with the Democratic party/Obama's plan to reinstate the Assault Weapons ban? The fact that he wanted ALL handguns banned? That he wants more guns added to the newer ban?
24valvenotak;246049 wrote:
yea, no fast food
no cars because it promotes obesity, ride a bike
no xbox or tv because it promotes sedentary lifestyle along with a toaster and a microwave and computers and candy and internet and trains and planes and monster trucks cause they polute and eggs cause nobody can decide if they are good or badExactly, now you're thinking rationally
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Crazy stuff right here..
Kind of takes the term "Volunteer Work" out of it all. Doing this, would making job interviews, college applications not look so good when you put helping out your community & not able to put how you volunteered here/there.
I think if it were to be 'FORCED' to be done, it should be also given credit to the students.
So if your a college student and have to do a 100 hours -- you should get credit. If it's required.. Otherwise, people will find the lazy loop-hole-ish way of getting it done. Some people (college students especially) already live 'busy' lives.. It also wouldn't be so bad IF all students school/college were grand-fathered in and it would take effect years down the road.
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StangerBanger96;246056 wrote:
Quickly off the top of my head...Chuck you have no problem with the Democratic party/Obama's plan to reinstate the Assault Weapons ban? The fact that he wanted ALL handguns banned? That he wants more guns added to the newer ban?Exactly, now you're thinking rationally
And with a democratic majority this will get passed a hell of a lot easier than most ppl prob think... Stock up now while u can...
"This year will go down in history, for the first time a civilized nation has full gun registration, our streets will be safer, our police more efficient, and the world will follow our lead into the future" - Adolph Hitler - 1935
Looks to me like gun control was a great idea... ask the jews how that one went...
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24valvenotak;246049 wrote:
yea, no fast food
no cars because it promotes obesity, ride a bike
no xbox or tv because it promotes sedentary lifestyle along with a toaster and a microwave and computers and candy and internet and trains and planes and monster trucks cause they polute and eggs cause nobody can decide if they are good or bador, kids can stack canned goods at the pantry for an hour on tuesdays. your right, your idea is way more rational.
ha....if my kids are old enought to be forced to work.... they are going to be working for me... not for someone else for free... if it is passed... there will be loopholes.. and i will use them.
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StangerBanger96;246056 wrote:
Quickly off the top of my head...Chuck you have no problem with the Democratic party/Obama's plan to reinstate the Assault Weapons ban? The fact that he wanted ALL handguns banned? That he wants more guns added to the newer ban?I will have to see the ban that actually get presented vs the what was said on the campaign trail. For the most part, I am against an AWB ban, but in all honesty, I don't see it making it out of the house & senate...especially not without a super majority and not in hunting states (read: ND, MN, SD, etc..) it will get filibustered and watered down...does it make it right? I dunno, pure speculation there and I will reserve judgment until that time....I will say this, the last AWB ban didn't stop me from buying "assault weapons"...made them harder to come by for sure, but didn't outright stop it from happening.
CNN news via a post by 02AccordEXV6 wrote:
. Supreme Court ruling on gun ban: Despite his past endorsements of some gun control measures, Obama's reaction to the recent Supreme Court decision upholding the constitutional right of individuals to own handguns mirrors the administration's. Obama now says: <u>"As a general principle, I believe that the Constitution confers an individual right to bear arms."</u>Here is how he has voted/spoken on this issue:
http://www.ontheissues.org/domestic/Barack_Obama_Gun_Control.htm
If the first AWB ban went back in, I'd be ok with it (would prefer it didn't...but I could live with it)...if it is expanded to more weapons like has been suggested, well, he probably wouldn't get my vote in 2012.
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Back to the original reason of this thread. Im torn on my feelings on this. On one hand, I think it is good for our youth to learn responsibility to do something for their community and or country. I also think that being forced or mandated to do it is not freedom at all. What I want to know is... How is this going to be policed and what is the punishment for non compliance? Who's ultimately liable if the child does not comply? Someone tell me this.
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PSiedTSi;246063 wrote:
WOW Bubba I'm impressed! That was ACTUALLY a great post lol...I can actually put a good 2 cents in if I really want... i'm usually too lazy... This has to be one of my most favorite quotes, because it helps prove a point. That being that without the second amendment, and having armed citizens, there is no real stopping of the government from taking away the rest of our rights as citizens. One of the best ways to keep a government in check, and to follow the true wants of it's citizens, is the fact that there's a chance if they wrong them they can rebel against that government. If the colonists wouldnt have had guns, i'm pretty sure we'd still be just another territory of Great Britain.
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tjamz;246074 wrote:
I will have to see the ban that actually get presented vs the what was said on the campaign trail. For the most part, I am against an AWB ban, but in all honesty, I don't see it making it out of the house & senate...especially not without a super majority and not in hunting states (read: ND, MN, SD, etc..) it will get filibustered and watered down...does it make it right? I dunno, pure speculation there and I will reserve judgment until that time....I will say this, the last AWB ban didn't stop me from buying "assault weapons"...made them harder to come by for sure, but didn't outright stop it from happening.Here is how he has voted/spoken on this issue:
http://www.ontheissues.org/domestic/Barack_Obama_Gun_Control.htm
If the first AWB ban went back in, I'd be ok with it (would prefer it didn't...but I could live with it)...if it is expanded to more weapons like has been suggested, well, he probably wouldn't get my vote in 2012.
Obama has been a VERY large anti gun proponent and said that Bush not re-signing into law the AWB was a scandal...
Would you believe the Brady campaign if they were to suddenly say they were pro gun? I highly doubt you or any other person with an IQ above 50 would...so why believe someone whose history shows they are anti gun when they say "oh I believe it's everyones right"? He HATES concealed carry, HATES "assault weapons", HATES guns in general. His words can't mask his voting and attempted legislation record.
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I posted his voting record. If a radical new anti-gun bill passes, well this is one thing that may cause me to vote 100% republican next time. I don't see the AWB ban making it through again though, so I guess my vote was a calculated risk in that sense.
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weshole;246076 wrote:
Back to the original reason of this thread. Im torn on my feelings on this. On one hand, I think it is good for our youth to learn responsibility to do something for their community and or country. I also think that being forced or mandated to do it is not freedom at all. What I want to know is... How is this going to be policed and what is the punishment for non compliance? Who's ultimately liable if the child does not comply? <u>Someone tell me this.</u>I agree with you on being torn about this. On one hand I don't want the Gov't to have any more influence on my lives or the lives of my children...on the other hand schools are there to teach basic values, and this could be a good way to do it.....
At this point anything anyone tells you is speculation. He was elected president, not God. I'd be surprised if anything truly gets done on most of his more "radical" bills...even with a left leaning congress.
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tjamz;246103 wrote:
I agree with you on being torn about this. On one hand I don't want the Gov't to have any more influence on my lives or the lives of my children...on the other hand schools are there to teach basic values, and this could be a good way to do it.....No, it schools are not there to teach basic values. They are there to provide a basic education. Values and beliefs are taught in the home and are a personal thing, not a government or school thing. When did it become the government's job to raise your kids?
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I was unaware that the government's job was to teach "morals", or that there was any kind of national consensus on what morals even are.
That's plainly the problem.
A key reason that I'll be homeschooling is that some people think they've got the singular answer on what ought to be taught to other people's children. There is an implied (or blatant) worldview being conveyed when recounting history, news, politics, current events, morality, or anything else you get into outside of the breathtaking purity of mathematics (which, incidentally, public schools don't teach very well, anyway).
I am not willing to cede control of that worldview to you (any of you), the feds, or anyone else besides my wife.
My child(ren) will not learn "morals" from the government. It has neither the justification nor the ability to teach them.
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BarackObama.com has already been updated now to remove the "required" wording for HS/Middle School students. It still has 100 hours required for college students...
Because students in Med School (for example) or those who have full time jobs and are also pursuing another degree have lots of spare time!
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I'm guessing the med school people will be able to count their internships as community service....again, I am just guessing.
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