Help your 11 year old dodge the draft!
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tjamz;246115 wrote:
By basic values I mean interacting with others in a respectful manner, sharing, helping each other to complete a project, and other things of that nature. All of which are taught (or attempted to be taught) in the public school system.So what you really meant was social skills, not basic values. Regardless, mandatory community service certainly does not teach somebody to respect their peers nor does it teach them to share.
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aside from the potential costs....what is the actual downside to this is what I want to know. How is it bad for kids to help out their communities...especially if it can be done during school hours and w/ minimal (if any) taxpayer dollars.
Besides, it has already had the "required" part dropped in high school/middle school...so apparently there was a whole lot feather ruffling over nothing at that level. I still like the idea of making it an optional class that they would get credit for completing.
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MisterCMK;246122 wrote:
So what you really meant was social skills, not basic values. Regardless, mandatory community service certainly does not teach somebody to respect their peers nor does it teach them to share.Helping your community is also a social skill to some degree as it allows you to interact with others by helping your community. I never said it had to teach respect/sharing...we already do that. This goes beyond that.
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weshole;246137 wrote:
It also teaches them the value of a days work. Something A LOT of todays youth lack.Communist
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tjamz;246124 wrote:
aside from the potential costs....what is the actual downside to this is what I want to know. How is it bad for kids to help out their communities...especially if it can be done during school hours and w/ minimal (if any) taxpayer dollars.Besides, it has already had the "required" part dropped in high school/middle school...so apparently there was a whole lot feather ruffling over nothing at that level. I still like the idea of making it an optional class that they would get credit for completing.
The downside? They have already been mentioned. I have a hard time believing that it can be done without spending tax dollars on it. I call bullshit on anybody that says it can. As far as being done in school hours, how does that jive with current curriculum requirements which many schools have a hard time meeting already? Wouldn't this go against the No Child Left Behind act?
If you want to make this an elective class, it will turn into an absolute joke where people are "volunteering" or doing "community service" just to get out of school and not actually completing the requirements.
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tjamz;246125 wrote:
Helping your community is also a social skill to some degree as it allows you to interact with others by helping your community. I never said it had to teach respect/sharing...we already do that. This goes beyond that.That is quite the stretch there...
Feel free to help your community, but what is the point of making it required?
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weshole;246137 wrote:
It also teaches them the value of a days work. Something A LOT of todays youth lack.So will a paying job. Money talks and bullshit walks. Earning a paycheck for work performed will teach them a hell of a lot more about a days work than having to do mandatory community service.
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MisterCMK;246141 wrote:
So will a paying job. Money talks and bullshit walks. Earning a paycheck for work performed will teach them a hell of a lot more about a days work than having to do mandatory community service.This was something I was referring to be happening before they were able to have a job. Make it something they can actually earn credits for. Nothing too substantial, just to make it worth while. It'll give them a sense of self worth in the process. I am speaking from a parents perspective and I believe it done <u>properly</u>, it can be beneficial to all involved.
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I think it should DEFINITELY be dropped for college students...being as not everyone goes to college, those who do are already putting forth more "effort" than those who do not pursue any further degrees beyond a diploma.
It's basically saying "Hey, you're trying to better yourself by furthering your education. Well congrats, but, you gotta serve 100 hours a year doing community service to stay enrolled"
No thanks...I prefer the idea where anyone on welfare HAS to, anyone attending school has it as an option.
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