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  • RexwagonR Offline
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    I would run both. Run an intercooler with some meth. its safer

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    • wesholeW Offline
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      Talk to Jason (Z31) about it. He's running it on the Z he has. But I think he's switching to a FMIC. It may be initially easier to do but it's kind of a pita to have to rely on it all the time. Kinda like nitrous.

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      • MisterCMKM Offline
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        Meth has too many variables and is too risky IMO to rely on rather than using an intercooler.

        FASTER THAN DUBBSY

        > thrash;315544 wrote:
        > I noticed that the new 5.0 valve covers say "Ford Motorsport" or something on them. Instead, the valvecovers should be a big bald eagle, holding a rifle in one talon, an american flag in the other, eating apple pie, and shitting on the outline of europe.
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        > Ford is back :)

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        • z31Z Offline
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          http://www.alkycontrol.com/

          http://www.turbobuicks.com/forums/alcohol-propane-nitrous/

          86 Nissan 300zx 12.43 @ 114 Top End Dragways

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          • GrrG Offline
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            I would do the intercooler until you get to the point of having to add meth. I did it this way, turns out to be a shitload of work when your spraying meth at every single stoplight. I love the stuff, but i would like to have an IC first, then meth for huge power on pump, prefferably set on a 2-stage boost controller.

            2006 Trailblazer SS- my DD
            2002 Camaro- built N/A LS3, Flt level 5 trans, 8.8 rear

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            • RexwagonR Offline
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              intercooler plus http://www.snowperformance.net/

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              • SlowicaS Offline
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                Slowica
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                i would also just go with the intercooler you can find them for pretty cheap if you take the time to look

                1993 240sx hatch - project/money pit
                1998 Grand Cherokee LTD - Winter beater

                N/A is the expensive way to go slow

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                • no_slow_clapN Offline
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                  why wouldnt you want an intercooler?

                  you can add to the rice, its safer, and you dont need meth.

                  i thought meth was used more as an additive, not a cooling system.

                  EVOLUTION VIII

                  > ryanherington;4648360 wrote:
                  > I think I'm gonna stop by Autozone and get a "worthy-amount" meter. My car might not put down enough worhty, and I don't wanna get in the way.

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                  • no_slow_clapN Offline
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                    find a used evo intercooler, i would give you mine..but it cracked.

                    its inexpensive, and it works.

                    EVOLUTION VIII

                    > ryanherington;4648360 wrote:
                    > I think I'm gonna stop by Autozone and get a "worthy-amount" meter. My car might not put down enough worhty, and I don't wanna get in the way.

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                        • zbrownZ Offline
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                          Injection >>> Intercooler

                          I'd like to see you get well below ambient IAT's with your A2A IC.........

                          while having better boost response and a simpler system, without tearing up your front.....

                          There is an awesome thread I should link to on the club..........

                          showed a ton of well documented logs (IAT's ect) going from a large FMIC to strictly chemical inection........ showing the results of different mixtures of water and alcohol on IAT's

                          great results

                          There is no way i am going to run an IC on my car

                          not saying A2A IC's are bad or anything, they are a good thing, just not required with a good injection system

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                          • zbrownZ Offline
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                            I agree the injection system is just one more thing to worry about, but it does have definite advantages

                            and i for one hate intake piping going all over

                            rx7-8.89@157mph
                            12v dodge, twins

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                            • z31Z Offline
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                              weshole;245899 wrote:
                              Talk to Jason (Z31) about it. He's running it on the Z he has. But I think he's switching to a FMIC. It may be initially easier to do but it's kind of a pita to have to rely on it all the time. Kinda like nitrous.

                              Wes, I'm going with Nistune tuning software, E85+Methanol injection, and 9:1 compression pistons for now.

                              Like Zack said your Intake Air Temps are going to be below your outside air temp and you can go 30% over your fuel injectors for extra fueling. I think the octane rating is 112

                              86 Nissan 300zx 12.43 @ 114 Top End Dragways

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                              • MisterCMKM Offline
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                                Why not use an intercooler along with meth injection?

                                FASTER THAN DUBBSY

                                > thrash;315544 wrote:
                                > I noticed that the new 5.0 valve covers say "Ford Motorsport" or something on them. Instead, the valvecovers should be a big bald eagle, holding a rifle in one talon, an american flag in the other, eating apple pie, and shitting on the outline of europe.
                                >
                                > Ford is back :)

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                                • no_slow_clapN Offline
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                                  MisterCMK;245967 wrote:
                                  Why not use an intercooler along with meth injection?

                                  agreed.

                                  EVOLUTION VIII

                                  > ryanherington;4648360 wrote:
                                  > I think I'm gonna stop by Autozone and get a "worthy-amount" meter. My car might not put down enough worhty, and I don't wanna get in the way.

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                                  • zbrownZ Offline
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                                    no_slow_clap;245969 wrote:
                                    agreed.

                                    because joel just said he didn't want to fit an IC........

                                    and AI alone has some advantages over running both together

                                    there are some hardcore fanatics of AI in the rotary world....with unbelievable results

                                    for instance, on your typical 13b setup with pump gas alone, you are looking at around 15-17psi being your safe ceiling................with a good injection system people are around the area of 25psi on pump gas alone.....all day, every day

                                    rx7-8.89@157mph
                                    12v dodge, twins

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                                    • no_slow_clapN Offline
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                                      zbrown;245974 wrote:
                                      because joel just said he didn't want to fit an IC........

                                      and AI alone has some advantages over running both together

                                      there are some hardcore fanatics of AI in the rotary world....with unbelievable results

                                      for instance, on your typical 13b setup with pump gas alone, you are looking at around 15-17psi being your safe ceiling................with a good injection system people are around the area of 25psi on pump gas alone.....all day, every day

                                      I understand the advantages, but why would you want to substitute cooling for an aditive?

                                      Joel, your car is going to be down all winter, its not like you wont have time to make something work. you can make your piping...the way you want it, and an ic isnt that expensive. you can buy a good used one one ebay for cheap.

                                      not only that you dont have to worry about proper applications for your car, you can buy a used side mount and make it work.

                                      EVOLUTION VIII

                                      > ryanherington;4648360 wrote:
                                      > I think I'm gonna stop by Autozone and get a "worthy-amount" meter. My car might not put down enough worhty, and I don't wanna get in the way.

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                                      • DrifterExtremeD Offline
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                                        haha i love these threads, everyone is so afraid of meth injection.

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                                        • JoelJ Offline
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                                          Boost response is my #1 concern, sorry for not putting it in my first post. With the Autoxing I do, and the turbo i decided to go with, I am gonna need every advantage I can to be in boost during autox.

                                          no race car? becuz homeowner...

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